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Minutes of Proceedings

Standing Committee on Government Operations and Estimates (OGGO)
44th Parliament, 1st Session
Meeting 18
Friday, May 6, 2022, 1:17 p.m. to 2:58 p.m.
Webcast
Presiding
Robert Kitchen, Chair (Conservative)

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• Michael Barrett for Ben Lobb (Conservative)
Library of Parliament
• Raphaëlle Deraspe, Analyst
• Ryan van den Berg, Analyst
National Shipbuilding Strategy
Nova Scotia Community College
• Don Bureaux, President
As an individual
• Paul T. Mitchell, Professor, Canadian Forces College
Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) and the motion adopted by the committee on Tuesday, February 1, 2022, the committee resumed its study of the National Shipbuilding Strategy.

The witnesses made statements and answered questions.

Committee Business
The committee proceeded to the consideration of matters related to committee business.

Motion

Pierre Paul-Hus moved, — That, in the context of its study of air defence procurement projects and its study of the National Shipbuilding Strategy, the committee send for, from Public Services and Procurement Canada, a monthly progress report concerning the progress of the maritime and air defence procurement projects including up-to-date acquisition, operating, training and maintenance costs and the progress of the work; that these reports be submitted to the committee on a monthly basis by the 15th of the month from May 2022 to May 2023, inclusively; and that the reports be rendered public and published on the committee’s website.

Debate arose thereon.

Amendment

Kelly McCauley moved, — That the motion be amended by replacing the words “the progress of the maritime and air defence procurement projects” with the following: “the progress of current maritime and air defence procurement projects, more precisely:
-the Combat and Non-combat vessel shipbuilding projects contained in the National Shipbuilding Strategy; and
-the projects described in the section titled “Royal Canadian Air Force” from Chapter 2 titled “Long-Term Investments to Enhance The Canadian Armed Forces’ Capabilities And Capacity To Support Peace And Security” of Canada’s Defence Policy (Strong, Secure, Engaged);”.

Debate arose thereon.

At 2:26 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 2:28 p.m., the sitting resumed.

The debate continued.

The question was put on the amendment and the result of the vote was announced:

YEAS: Michael Barrett, Gord Johns, Kelly McCauley, Pierre Paul-Hus, Julie Vignola — 5;

NAYS: Parm Bains, Anthony Housefather, Majid Jowhari, Irek Kusmierczyk, Joanne Thompson — 5.

Whereupon, the Chair voted in the affirmative.

Accordingly, the amendment was agreed to.

The debate on the motion, as amended, continued.

Amendment

Anthony Housefather moved, — That the motion be amended by:

  1. replacing the word “monthly” with the following: “bi-annual”;
  2. replacing the words “monthly basis by the 15th of the month from May 2022 to May 2023, inclusively” with the following: “bi-annual basis from June 30, 2022 to December 31, 2023”.

Debate arose thereon.

Subamendment

Kelly McCauley moved, — That the amendment be amended by:

  1. replacing the words “a bi-annual progress report” with the following: “a progress report every three months”;
  2. replacing the words “on a bi-annual basis” with the following: “every three months”.

After debate, the question was put on the subamendment of Kelly McCauley and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Michael Barrett, Kelly McCauley, Pierre Paul-Hus, Julie Vignola — 4;

NAYS: Parm Bains, Anthony Housefather, Gord Johns, Majid Jowhari, Irek Kusmierczyk, Joanne Thompson — 6.

The question was put on the amendment of Anthony Housefather and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Parm Bains, Anthony Housefather, Gord Johns, Majid Jowhari, Irek Kusmierczyk, Joanne Thompson — 6;

NAYS: Michael Barrett, Kelly McCauley, Pierre Paul-Hus, Julie Vignola — 4.

The question was put on the motion, as amended, and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Parm Bains, Michael Barrett, Anthony Housefather, Gord Johns, Majid Jowhari, Irek Kusmierczyk, Kelly McCauley, Pierre Paul-Hus, Joanne Thompson, Julie Vignola — 10;

NAYS: — 0.

The motion, as amended, read as follows:

That, in the context of its study of air defence procurement projects and its study of the National Shipbuilding Strategy, the committee send for, from Public Services and Procurement Canada, a bi-annual progress report concerning the progress of current maritime and air defence procurement projects, more precisely:
-the Combat and Non-combat vessel shipbuilding projects contained in the National Shipbuilding Strategy; and
-the projects described in the section titled “Royal Canadian Air Force” from Chapter 2 titled “Long-term investments to enhance the Canadian Armed Forces’ capabilities and capacity to support peace and security” of Canada’s Defence Policy (Strong, Secure, Engaged); including up-to-date acquisition, operating, training and maintenance costs and the progress of the work; that these reports be submitted to the committee on a bi-annual basis from June 30, 2022 to December 31, 2023; and that the reports be rendered public and published on the committee’s website.

It was agreed, — That the proposed supplementary budget in the amount of $11,200, for the study of air defence procurement projects, be adopted.

It was agreed, — That the proposed supplementary budget in the amount of $15,400, for the study of the National Shipbuilding Strategy, be adopted.

At 2:58 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.



Paul Cardegna
Clerk of the committee