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Minutes of Proceedings

44th Parliament, 1st Session
Meeting 55
Wednesday, March 8, 2023, 4:38 p.m. to 6:54 p.m.
Webcast
Presiding
Kelly McCauley, Chair (Conservative)

House of Commons
• Philippe Méla, Legislative Clerk
 
Library of Parliament
• Diana Ambrozas, Analyst
• Ryan van den Berg, Analyst
The committee proceeded to the consideration of matters related to committee business.

Motion

Stephanie Kusie moved, — That, pursuant to Standing Order 108(1)(a), the committee:

1. Send for all receipts and invoices in the possession of the Office of the Prime Minister, the Privy Council Office, and any other implicated government departments associated with the September 2022 trip to the United Kingdom by the Prime Minister of Canada, including for all individuals accompanying the Prime Minister;

a. That these documents be submitted in both redacted and unredacted form to the clerk of the committee in both official languages no later than Monday, March 20, 2023, at 12:00 p.m. and that the clerk be instructed to forward the unredacted version to members of the committee;

b. That these documents be published on the committee’s website immediately following the redaction of all personal information in the aforementioned documents by the Office of Law Clerk and Parliamentary Counsel;

2. Send for an unredacted copy of the completed access to information request A-2022-02366 from the Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development;

a. That this document be submitted to the clerk of the committee in both official languages within 24 hours of the adoption of this motion and be distributed to members of the committee, and;

b. That this document be published on the committee’s website immediately following its distribution to committee members.

Debate arose thereon.

Amendment

Gord Johns moved, — That the motion be amended by adding after the words “associated with” the following: “both: i)”, and by adding after the words “all individuals accompanying the Prime Minister” the following: “and ii) for Prime Minister Harper’s trip in 2013 to honour the late Nelson Mandela and Prime Minister Harper’s trip to Beijing in 2009.”.

Debate arose thereon.

Motion

Majid Jowhari moved, — That the debate be now adjourned.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Parm Bains, Majid Jowhari, Irek Kusmierczyk, Patricia Lattanzio, Joanne Thompson, Julie Vignola — 6;

NAYS: Kelly Block, Scot Davidson, Gord Johns, Stephanie Kusie — 4.

The debate adjourned.

• Hon. Mona Fortier, P.C., M.P., President of the Treasury Board
Treasury Board Secretariat
• Annie Boudreau, Assistant Secretary, Expenditure Management Sector
• Karen Cahill, Assistant Secretary and Chief Financial Officer
• Samantha Tattersall, Assistant Comptroller General, Acquired Services and Assets Sector
• Diane Peressini, Former Executive Director, Government Accounting Policy & Reporting
• Stephen Burt, Chief Data Officer of Canada
• Jean-François Fleury, Assistant Deputy Minister, Research, Planning and Renewal
• Rod Greenough, Executive Director, Expenditure Strategies and Estimates
Pursuant to Standing Order 81(5), the committee commenced consideration of the Supplementary Estimates (C), 2022-23: Vote 1c under Department of Public Works and Government Services, Vote 1c under Privy Council Office, Vote 1c under Public Service Commission and Votes 1c, 10c and 30c under Treasury Board Secretariat, referred to the committee on Wednesday, February 15, 2023.

The Chair called Vote 1c under Department of Public Works and Government Services.

The Minister made a statement and, with the other witnesses, answered questions.

Kelly Block gave notice of the following motion:

That, when undertakings are given by witnesses at committee meetings to provide further answers to questions or follow up information, the witnesses be given three weeks to provide the committee with a written response, if a response is not received within the specified time that the committee invite the appropriate accounting officer to appear before the committee to explain why the information has not been provided in the time requested.

Questioning of the witnesses resumed.

By unanimous consent, the Chair called Vote 1c under Privy Council Office, Vote 1c under Public Service Commission and Votes 1c, 10c and 30c under Treasury Board Secretariat.

Vote 1c under Department of Public Works and Government Services, Vote 1c under Privy Council Office, Vote 1c under Public Service Commission and Votes 1c, 10c and 30c under Treasury Board Secretariat to the House carried on division.

ORDERED, — That the Chair report Vote 1c under Department of Public Works and Government Services, Vote 1c under Privy Council Office, Vote 1c under Public Service Commission and Votes 1c, 10c and 30c under Treasury Board Secretariat to the House.

Motion

Stephanie Kusie moved, — That the committee resume debate on the motion of Stephanie Kusie.

The question was put on the motion and the result of the vote was announced:

YEAS: Kelly Block, Scot Davidson, Gord Johns, Stephanie Kusie, Julie Vignola — 5;

NAYS: Parm Bains, Anthony Housefather, Majid Jowhari, Irek Kusmierczyk, Joanne Thompson — 5.

Whereupon, the Chair voted in the affirmative.

Accordingly, the motion was agreed to.

The committee resumed consideration of the motion of Stephanie Kusie, — That, pursuant to Standing Order 108(1)(a), the committee:

1. Send for all receipts and invoices in the possession of the Office of the Prime Minister, the Privy Council Office, and any other implicated government departments associated with the September 2022 trip to the United Kingdom by the Prime Minister of Canada, including for all individuals accompanying the Prime Minister;

a. That these documents be submitted in both redacted and unredacted form to the clerk of the committee in both official languages no later than Monday, March 20, 2023, at 12:00 p.m. and that the clerk be instructed to forward the unredacted version to members of the committee;

b. That these documents be published on the committee’s website immediately following the redaction of all personal information in the aforementioned documents by the Office of Law Clerk and Parliamentary Counsel;

2. Send for an unredacted copy of the completed access to information request A-2022-02366 from the Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development;

a. That this document be submitted to the clerk of the committee in both official languages within 24 hours of the adoption of this motion and be distributed to members of the committee, and;

b. That this document be published on the committee’s website immediately following its distribution to committee members

and of the amendment of Gord Johns, which read as follows:

That the motion be amended by adding the word “both: i)” after the words “associated with”; and by adding after the words “all individuals accompanying the Prime Minister” the following: “and ii) for Prime Minister Harper’s trip in 2013 to honour the late Nelson Mandela and Prime Minister Harper’s trip to Beijing in 2009”.

The debate continued.

On motion of Irek Kusmierczyk, it was agreed, — That the debate be now adjourned.

At 6:48 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 6:52 p.m., the sitting resumed in camera.

It was agreed, — That, in relation to the study of the National Shipbuilding Strategy, the proposed budget in the amount of $70,184.30, for the committee’s travel to Victoria, British Columbia, and Vancouver, British Columbia, in spring 2023, be adopted and that the Chair present the said budget to the Subcommittee on Budgets of the Liaison committee.

It was agreed, — That, in relation to the study of the National Shipbuilding Strategy, the delegation for the committee’s travel to Victoria, British Columbia, and Vancouver, British Columbia, in Spring 2023, be comprised of the following:

3 members of the Liberal Party,

2 members of the Conservative Party,

1 member of the Bloc Québécois, and

1 member of the New Democratic Party;

and that the necessary staff do accompany the committee.

ORDERED, — That, in relation to the study of the National Shipbuilding Strategy, the clerk of the committee make the necessary arrangements for hospitality during the committee's travel to Victoria, British Columbia, and Vancouver, British Columbia, during the spring of 2023.

It was agreed, — That, in relation to the study of the National Shipbuilding Strategy, the proposed budget in the amount of $ 61,547.90, for the committee’s travel to Québec, Québec, Lévis, Québec, and Halifax, Nova Scotia, in spring 2023, be adopted and that the Chair present the said budget to the Subcommittee on Budgets of the Liaison committee.

It was agreed, — That, in relation to the study of the National Shipbuilding Strategy, the delegation for the committee’s travel to Québec, Québec, Lévis, Québec, and Halifax, Nova Scotia, in spring 2023, be comprised of the following:

3 members of the Liberal Party,

2 members of the Conservative Party,

1 member of the Bloc Québécois, and

1 member of the New Democratic Party;

and that the necessary staff do accompany the committee.

ORDERED, — That, in relation to the study of the National Shipbuilding Strategy, the clerk of the committee make the necessary arrangements for hospitality during the committee's travel to Québec, Québec, Lévis, Québec, and Halifax, Nova Scotia, during the spring of 2023.

At 6:54 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.



Aimée Belmore
Clerk of the committee