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Minutes of Proceedings

44th Parliament, 1st Session
Meeting 123
Thursday, June 6, 2024, 11:05 a.m. to Tuesday, June 11, 2024, 1:09 p.m.
Webcast
Presiding
John Brassard, Chair (Conservative)

• Michael Cooper for Damien C. Kurek (Conservative)
• Luc Desilets for René Villemure (Bloc Québécois)
• Lena Metlege Diab for Pam Damoff (Liberal)
• Terry Dowdall for Larry Brock (Conservative)
• Francis Drouin for Pam Damoff (Liberal)
• Jamil Jivani for Damien C. Kurek (Conservative)
• Tom Kmiec for Michael Barrett (Conservative)
• Tom Kmiec for Damien C. Kurek (Conservative)
• Lloyd Longfield for Pam Damoff (Liberal)
• Jeremy Patzer for Damien C. Kurek (Conservative)
• Randeep Sarai for Pam Damoff (Liberal)
• Simon-Pierre Savard-Tremblay for René Villemure (Bloc Québécois)
• Joanne Thompson for Iqra Khalid (Liberal)
Library of Parliament
• Alexandra Savoie, Analyst
• Maxime-Olivier Thibodeau, Analyst
The committee proceeded to the consideration of matters related to committee business.

At 11:13 a.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 11:18 a.m., the meeting resumed.

At 11:31 a.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 12:07 p.m., the meeting resumed.

By unanimous consent the motion moved by Parm Bains on Thursday, May 30, 2024, was withdrawn.

Motion

Michael Barrett moved, — That, in light of media reports, Minister Randy Boissonnault’s testimony at this committee, and the Ethics Commissioner’s confirmation that he is considering opening another investigation into Minister Randy Boissonnault’s actions, the committee call on the following witnesses to appear before the committee individually and testify for no less than one hour each:

(a) Stephen Anderson;

(b) Kirsten Poon;

(c) Representatives of the Ghaoui Group; and

(d) The other “Randy” referred to in Minister Randy Bossinault’s testimony;

That these witnesses appear on or before June 18, and that the committee seek additional resources to facilitate these meetings if needed.

Debate arose thereon.

At 12:49 p.m., René Villemure took the Chair.

At 12:51 p.m., John Brassard took the Chair.

Motion

Anthony Housefather moved, — That the debate be now adjourned.

The question was put on the motion and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Parm Bains, Lena Metlege Diab, Darren Fisher, Anthony Housefather, Joanne Thompson — 5;

NAYS: Michael Barrett, John Brassard, Terry Dowdall, Matthew Green, Tom Kmiec, René Villemure — 6.

The debate continued.

At 1:46 p.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 5:07 p.m., the meeting resumed on Monday, June 10, 2024.

The debate continued.

Amendment

Luc Desilets moved, — That the motion be amended by deleting the words “individually”, "no less than" and "each" from the first paragraph; by deleting points (c) and (d); and by deleting the last paragraph.

Debate arose thereon.

The question was put on the amendment of Luc Desilets and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Parm Bains, Pam Damoff, Luc Desilets, Darren Fisher, Iqra Khalid, Lloyd Longfield — 6;

NAYS: Michael Barrett, Larry Brock, Matthew Green, Jeremy Patzer — 4.

Debate resumed on the motion, as amended.

Amendment

Michael Barrett moved, — That the motion be amended by adding after the words “Kirsten Poon” the following: “That the committee order Global Health Imports to submit the names of all past and present employees, in order to reveal the identity of the other “Randy” referred to by Minister Randy Boissonnault, within seven days of this motion being adopted”.

Debate arose thereon.

At 6:58 p.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 7:01 p.m., the meeting resumed.

The debate continued.

At 7:14 p.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 11:14 a.m., the meeting resumed on Tuesday, June 11, 2024.

The debate continued.

Subamendment

Iqra Khalid moved, — That the amendment be amended by deleting the words “order Global Health Imports to submit the names of all past and present employees in order to reveal the identity of the other “Randy” referred to by Minister Randy Boissonnault”, and replacing with, “request that Stephen Anderson produce for the committee all of his phone records and text messages from September 8, 2022”.

Debate arose thereon.

At 11:28 p.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 11:35 p.m., the meeting resumed.

The debate continued.

The question was put on the subamendment of Iqra Khalid and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Parm Bains, Pam Damoff, Darren Fisher, Anthony Housefather, Iqra Khalid, René Villemure — 6;

NAYS: Michael Barrett, Larry Brock, Matthew Green, Damien C. Kurek — 4.

Debate resumed on the amendment, as amended.

At 12:37 p.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 12:46 p.m., the meeting resumed.

Subamendment

Michael Barrett moved, — That the amendment be amended by adding after the words “request that Stephen Anderson ” the following: “and Randy Boissonnault”, and by adding after the words "phone records and text messages" the following: ", iMessages, and all instant messages and call logs from all applications from September 8, 2022".

Debate arose thereon.

At 12:48 p.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 1:02 p.m., the meeting resumed.

The question was put on the subamendment and the result of the vote was announced:

YEAS: Michael Barrett, Larry Brock, Matthew Green, Damien C. Kurek, René Villemure — 5;

NAYS: Parm Bains, Pam Damoff, Darren Fisher, Anthony Housefather, Iqra Khalid — 5.

Whereupon, the Chair voted in the affirmative.

Accordingly, the subamendment was agreed to.

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Michael Barrett, as amended, and it was agreed to on division.

After debate, the question was put on the motion, as amended, and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Parm Bains, Michael Barrett, Larry Brock, Pam Damoff, Darren Fisher, Matthew Green, Anthony Housefather, Iqra Khalid, Damien C. Kurek, René Villemure — 10;

NAYS: — 0.

The motion, as amended, read as follows:

That, in light of media reports, Minister Randy Boissonnault’s testimony at this committee, and the Ethics Commissioner’s confirmation that he is considering opening another investigation into Minister Randy Boissonnault’s actions, the Committee call on the following witnesses to appear before the committee and testify for one hour:

(a) Stephen Anderson;

(b) Kirsten Poon;

And that the committee request that Stephen Anderson and Minister Randy Boissonnault produce for the committee all of their phone records, text messages, iMessages, and all instant messages and call logs from all applications from September 8, 2022, within seven days of this motion being adopted.

On motion of Michael Barrett, it was agreed, — That the committee do now adjourn.

At 1:09 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.



Nancy Vohl
Clerk of the committee