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Minutes of Proceedings

Standing Committee on Public Safety and National Security (SECU)
44th Parliament, 1st Session
Meeting 123
Thursday, October 10, 2024, 3:33 p.m. to 5:32 p.m.
Televised
Presiding
Ron McKinnon, Chair (Liberal)

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• Alexsandra Ferland, Analyst
• Sabrina Charland, Analyst
Russian Interference and Disinformation Campaigns in Canada
As an individual
• Anthony Seaboyer, Assistant Professor, Royal Military College of Canada
• Adam Zivojinovic, Journalist
Meta Platforms Inc.
• David Agranovich, Director of Threat Disruption
• Rachel Curran, Head of Public Policy, Canada
TikTok
• Steve de Eyre, Director, Public Policy and Government Affairs, Canada
• Justin Erlich, Global Head of Policy Development
YouTube
• Lindsay Doyle, Head of Government Affairs and Public Policy for Canada
• John Hultquist, Chief Analyst, Mandiant Intelligence, Google
Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) and the motion adopted by the committee on Thursday, September 19, 2024, the committee resumed its study on Russian interference and disinformation campaigns in Canada.

David Agranovich, Rachel Curran, Steve de Eyre, Justin Erlich, Lindsay Doyle and John Hultquist made opening statements and answered questions.

At 4:00 p.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 4:01 p.m., the meeting resumed.

Questioning of the witnesses resumed.

It was agreed, — That the committee reinvite representatives from Meta, TikTok and YouTube to appear for one hour to a date to determinate.

At 4:41 p.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 4:47 p.m., the meeting resumed.

Anthony Seaboyer and Adam Zivojinovic made an opening statement and answered questions.

At 4:49 p.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 4:51 p.m., the meeting resumed.

Questioning of the witnesses resumed.

Raquel Dancho gave notice of the following motion:

Given that:

  • Samidoun is a proxy for the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PLFP), a listed terrorist organization in Canada since 2003, to raise funds to finance PLFP’s violent attacks on Jewish people;
  • On the first year anniversary of the horrific October 7, 2023, Hamas terrorist attack in Israel, Samidoun hosted a protest in Vancouver in which a speaker told the crowd, “We are Hezbollah, and we are Hamas,” and chanted “Death to Canada! Death to the United States! And Death to Israel!”;
  • Samidoun openly supports Hezbollah and Hamas, which are both listed terrorist organizations in Canada;
  • Samidoun is banned in Germany, with the German government saying they serve as an “international network which disseminates anti Israel and anti Jewish propaganda” and “supported and glorified various foreign terrorist organizations, including Hamas,”;
  • Samidoun’s leadership was deported from Germany in 2019 and denied entry to the European Union in 2022;
  • Samidoun demonstrations promote Jew hatred and pro terrorism messages that encourage antisemitic threats and violence in Canada.
And given that:

  • Ansar Allah, also known as the Houthis, is a Yemen based terror proxy of Iran, that, since the October 7 t h terror attacks, have disregarded international law by launching attacks on innocent civilians and merchant vessels in the Red Sea and the Gulf of Aden;
  • That our closest allies, the United States, Australia, and Israel, have already designated the Houthis as a terrorist group;
  • Canada has provided logistical support to the armed forces of the US and UK that have conducted air strikes against the Houthis.
The committee reports to the House that it recognizes that Samidoun and the Houthis are a threat to public safety and recommends that they both be listed as a terrorist entity under section 83.05 of the Anti Terrorism Act.

At 5:23 p.m., the meeting was suspended.

At 5:26 p.m., the meeting resumed.

Motion

Pam Damoff moved, — That the committee summon Lauren Chen to appear for no less than two hours in relation to the study of Russian-backed interference and far-right disinformation campaigns intended to manipulate the Canadian public, and that she appear before November 8, 2024.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to, by a show of hands: YEAS: 11; NAYS: 0.

At 5:32 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.



Simon Larouche
Clerk of the committee