[Translation]
I am very pleased to meet with the members of the Standing Committee on Government Operations and Estimates.
With me today are Robert Hertzog, the Department's Chief Financial Officer, and René Bouchard, Executive Director of the Portfolio Affairs Secretariat.
[English]
Allow me to describe the work we do at Canadian Heritage and the portfolio. Our mandate is broad and covers a wide range of issues of importance to Canadians. We deliver policies and programs related to broadcasting and interactive media, arts and cultural industries, heritage objects and spaces, official languages, citizenship participation and identity, human rights, youth and sport initiatives, as well as national ceremonies and symbols.
I have been invited here to speak about the 2012-13 main estimates of the Department of Canadian Heritage and the portfolio's organization. While with you today, I would also like to refer briefly to the impact of Budget 2012 on our work and to provide the members of the committee with information about the long-term financial strategy the department has adopted to ensure its financial stability.
I'll start with the main estimates. In the 2012-13 main estimates, the total budget for the Department of Canadian Heritage is $1.28 billion. This consists of $202.8 million in operating expenditures and $1.078 billion in grants and contributions.
The 2011-12 main estimates totalled $1.14 billion last year. Of this amount, $209.7 million was for operating expenditures and $933.6 million for grants and contributions.
The 2012-13 funding level shows a net increase of $137.3 million over last year. This is made up of an increase of $144.2 million in grants and contributions, less a $6.9 million decrease in planned operating costs. The difference is largely due to the following increases that were made public through the 2011-12 supplementary estimates process.
First is $100 million for the Canada Media Fund. Funding for this program was previously approved on a yearly basis through the supplementary estimates process.
Second is a net increase of $29.9 million for the aboriginal peoples program related to the cultural connections for aboriginal youth program and the aboriginal languages initiative.
Third is $15 million for the Canada Periodical Fund. This helps publishers adapt to the changing digital environment by allowing their flexibility to spend funds on a variety of activities, including online publishing.
[Translation]
As well, it should be noted that as of 2012-13, $38.6 million was transferred from the Department of Canadian Heritage to Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development Canada as part of a machinery of government transfer. This includes core funding for aboriginal friendship centres, and project funding for both cultural connections for aboriginal youth and young Canada works for aboriginal urban youth. This transfer was made to permit a better integration of certain aboriginal programs across the two departments. This is not reflected in the main estimates as it occurred in March 2012 after submission. I just wanted to tell you that, since some funding is provided in the main estimates.
There is also a net decrease of $12.1 million for the transfer of funds to Shared Services Canada to consolidate and transform some information technology infrastructure across the government. As you may be aware, we are one of the 44 departments and agencies that have taken part in the consolidation of those email, data centre and network services.
The 18 organizations that are part of the Canadian Heritage portfolio will be receiving $1.9 billion in appropriations in the 2012-13 main estimates. These organizations also plan to generate more than $700 million in revenues, which means that total resources of $2.6 billion will be available to them in 2012-2013.
I would like to remind the committee members that the figures in the 2012-2013 main estimates do not reflect the decisions announced in the budget for 2012 concerning the review of departmental and portfolio spending.
[English]
As you know, the Government of Canada's Budget 2012 was announced on March 29, 2012. Some of the reduction measures with regard to the Department of Canadian Heritage include elimination of the Katimavik program, the grants and contributions component of the human rights program, the cultural capitals of Canada component of the Canada Cultural Investment Fund, the Canada Interactive Fund, the arts, culture, and diversity program, and the creators' assistance component of the Canada Music Fund.
Portfolio organizations contributing to the Government of Canada's reduction deficit measures include CBC/Radio-Canada, Telefilm Canada, the National Film Board, Library and Archives Canada, the CRTC, the National Battlefields Commission, and the National Arts Centre. Each of these independent organizations will implement the measures they themselves have proposed.
While all portfolio organizations were asked to prepare deficit reduction plans, the government chose to protect funding for several Canadian cultural institutions and sport. For example, funding to the Canada Council for the Arts was not reduced. The government chose to maintain direct support for theatre, dance, music, publishing, and performing arts.
[Translation]
The national museums were also exempted from reductions. As well, Budget 2012 includes an increase in support to museums and galleries through the Canada travelling exhibitions indemnification program. The indemnification limit will also be increased from $1.5 billion to $3 billion, which is a positive development for Canadian museums and galleries in their ability to attract major exhibits.
The decisions announced in Budget 2012 that affect the Department of Canadian Heritage and the portfolio stem from recommendations made as part of the Government of Canada's deficit reduction action plan. These decisions made were based on criteria such as effectiveness, efficiency, affordability and relevance to Canadians.
[English]
The supplementary estimates process will be used to decrease the authorities of the Department of Canadian Heritage and the affected portfolio organizations in accordance with Budget 2012 decisions. Quarterly financial reports will be provided to Parliament on a regular basis and in a timely fashion with respect to the implementation of these measures.
For the 2012-13 fiscal year, we've set the following four priorities for the Department of Canadian Heritage.
First, celebrate Canada's heritage and history. For example, we're currently working on a wide range of events to commemorate the War of 1812 and to celebrate Queen Elizabeth's second Diamond Jubilee.
Second, take full advantage of digital technology. This includes the modernization of the Copyright Act currently before Parliament.
Third, invest in our communities. For example, work is ongoing to implement the road map for Canada's linguistic duality, to renew the Canadian sport policy, and to support several high-profile sports events, including the London 2012 Olympic and Paralympic Games.
Fourth, efficiently manage the department's finances and operations. We are in the process of modernizing the management and delivery of Canadian Heritage grants and contributions programs.
[Translation]
Work is also ongoing to deal with financial challenges the Department of Canadian Heritage has encountered in recent years. Two years ago, the department potentially faced an ongoing structural deficit in its operating budget of more than $60 million. The department no longer had the financial flexibility to manage the operating budget structural shortfall through reallocations within a given year. Restoring financial sustainability within the department became a key priority.
To achieve this goal, we adopted a series of measures effective fiscal year 2010-2011. To date, we have eliminated practically two thirds of this vote 1 operating budget structural deficit without significantly impacting any programs or services offered to Canadians.
We are addressing the remainder of this deficit through a long-term financial strategy, which will achieve further operating budget savings of approximately $26 million by fiscal year 2014-2015. The idea is still to apply cuts internally while trying to protect programs and services offered to citizens. Once again these efforts are aimed at transforming how we do business internally with a continued effort to protect our capacity to deliver programs to Canadians.
[English]
To conclude my remarks, the Canadian heritage department and portfolio organizations are aware of the need of ongoing operational and productivity improvements and efficiencies across the Government of Canada. We are doing our part to achieve the goals that have been established with cost-saving measures that focus on core functions. The measures that we have adopted support modernizing the department and portfolio organizations by maximizing investments, delivering on results, and increasing the impacts of our programs and services.
We would now be pleased to respond to any questions you may have.
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Before the budget, we had already reduced our structural deficit by $40 million, which represents two-thirds of the total deficit. We plan to reduce the remaining $26 million over three years.
On April 10, when we announced the impact of our measures to our employees, we had already informed those who might potentially be affected by the next round of cuts.
In the first round of cuts, that is to say the first $40 million, 360 permanent positions were eliminated. At the time, important events such as the Olympic Games and the Shanghai Expo, which had limited funding, were coming to an end. That represented 140 more positions. So we had already cut 500 positions before the budget.
Now with regard to the budget itself, the total deficit is 38 positions. The largest portion of our funding is allocated to programs. So the budget itself does not have a major impact. However, we must cut 245 more positions to eliminate the rest of the structural deficit, that is $26 million. We have striven to cut all possible vacant positions at every stage. We put our employees back in positions that were going to be vacated for transitional reasons.
With regard to the first round of cuts, although we cut all those positions, we have thus far been able to reassign all but three of our employees. We will make the same effort to reassign as many employees as possible in the next round.
The budget affects 38 positions, and eliminating the remaining $26 million of the structural deficit means another 245 positions. We are talking about approximately 280 positions. We have been able to limit the impact of those cuts to 175 employees, and that figure will continue to fall.
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That's great news. I think another reason why it's important is creating jobs. Arts and culture is a big economic generator for communities across Canada.
We talk about sports and recreation and arts and culture as a big component. Kelowna and the smaller community of Lake Country were selected as one of the cultural capitals of Canada. It's very important for the museum and the history.
We're very fortunate. On the weekend we unveiled a life-sized statue, six feet, eight inches, of Father Pandosy, the first Oblate missionary, who 152 years ago settled in the Okanagan. Thanks to a $49,000 grant from Heritage Canada, the community was spurred to raise over $100,000 for it for the historical society.
Is there that ongoing emphasis to help collaborate, as the chair, Mr. Martin, alluded to, as far as balance from the community, from partnership? Is there any type of formula you looked at in terms of working on grants and applications to see if there's a community appetite to help come to the table, such that if they were to raise 50%, 60%, or 70%, there would be encouraging Heritage Canada opportunities in the background?
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Thank you very much, Mr. Chair and honourable members.
I'd like to thank you for the opportunity to meet with you this afternoon to discuss our main estimates and our report on plans and priorities for this fiscal year. The Public Service Commission is accountable to Parliament for safeguarding the integrity of the public service staffing system and the political impartiality of public servants.
In our main estimates for 2012-13, the PSC is authorized to spend $92.7 million and it has an authority to recover up to $14 million of the costs of our counselling and assessment services and products provided to federal organizations.
Mr. Chair, the main estimates do not reflect the contributions that the PSC is making to Budget 2012. As a result, the PSC's budget will be reduced by $8.9 million. This is a reduction of 10% of the review base, and it will be implemented over a period of three years.
[Translation]
In developing our proposals for reduction, the PSC was guided by several imperatives. Our priority was to protect our ability to carry out our mandate. We focused on ensuring that the PSC will continue to be able to inform and support Parliament as well as support departments, conduct effective oversight, and deliver innovative staffing and assessment services to departments. The PSC will achieve its reduction targets through a variety of means, including redesigning work processes; leveraging advancements in technologies; and benefiting from mature audit and investigation methodologies.
Mr. Chair, I wish to inform this committee that the PSC was able to contribute its share while maintaining its ability to carry out its mandate. As a result of our reductions, some 87 positions will be eliminated over the next three years. Through vacancy management and attrition, we have already achieved a reduction of 38 positions. As a result, up to 49 PSC employees may be declared surplus. All PSC employees who are directly impacted have been personally informed. I am also pleased to inform the committee that seven of the employees declared surplus have since been placed in other jobs.
In order to minimize the number of involuntary departures from the PSC, staffing controls will remain in place at our Executive Management Committee for the foreseeable future. This period will be difficult for organizations and for employees. I can assure you that, at the PSC, all employees affected by these reductions will be treated with respect.
[English]
Now I'd like to turn to our strategic priorities for this year. They reflect the evolving context for the public service and set the course for our organization in responding effectively to those realities.
This brings me to the support that the PSC has provided and will continue to provide to the departments and agencies in responding to their staffing activities related to workforce adjustment. While Treasury Board Secretariat has the lead responsibility in managing workforce adjustment, the PSC has two specific roles with respect to workforce adjustment: first, by providing policy guidance and support to departments in selecting employees for retention or layoff; and second, in managing priority entitlements.
We recently updated our policy guidance tools to provide managers with more detailed and concrete guidance on how to run merit-based structured processes for selecting employees who will be retained or laid off. To date, the Public Service Commission has provided intensive training to some 3,700 managers and human resource advisers. Our approach has been to support departments to ensure that their decisions are based on merit and their processes are fair and transparent.
The PSC is also responsible for managing priority entitlements. Under our legislation and regulations, priority persons are eligible to be appointed ahead of all others to vacant positions in the public service, provided they meet the essential qualifications of the positions. Surplus employees and laid off individuals have entitlements to priority appointments. These entitlements help the public service retain and redeploy skilled and competent people and therefore avoid the cost of hiring new employees.
The PSC is responsible for ensuring that these entitlements are respected, and it does so through the priority administration program. During this time of transition, it is critical that this program functions well, as the priority system will become a key source of public service hiring over the next couple of years. Internally, we have reallocated resources to this important program and we continue to closely monitor its performance.
[Translation]
Now I would like to turn to our responsibility for conducting independent oversight on behalf of Parliament. We do this through our audits, investigations and ongoing monitoring. Our oversight findings also enable organizations to improve their staffing performance.
Mr. Chair, in a time of restraint and reduced hiring, our staffing values take on greater importance. We continue to work with stakeholders, particularly the Office of the Chief Human Resources Officer and bargaining agents.
We want to ensure that our policies, guides, tools and programs provide effective direction and support, and we will continue to adapt them to reflect changing needs. A more effective priority administration program will play a key role in hiring.
However, the public service may need to conduct recruitment for those occupational groups where there are shortages. We will also continue to conduct effective and enabling oversight and report to Parliament, all the while focusing especially on those higher-risk areas of activity.
Thank you. We will be happy to take your questions when it is convenient to do so.
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Mr. Chair, Vice-Chairs and honourable members, thank you for this opportunity to appear before you to explain the operations of the Public Service Staffing Tribunal, a first time visit for us.
This year marks our seventh year as the Public Service Staffing Tribunal. The tribunal was established in 2005 under the Public Service Employment Act, as an independent, quasi-judicial body to address complaints related to internal appointments and lay-offs in the federal public service, in other words, staffing matters.
Our legislated mandate is to provide adjudication and mediation of complaints. We are also called upon to interpret and apply the Canadian Human Rights Act in certain situations. In fulfilling our mandate, we conduct hearings, mediations and settlement conferences. The outcome we seek is the fair and impartial resolution of these disputes.
The unpredictable number and complexity of our caseload represent a constant challenge. We have seen an increase in the number of complaints, from 400 in 2006 to nearly 1,900 in the last fiscal year, for an annual average of almost 1,000 complaints over the last five years.
Our vision, from the outset, was to put in place a complaint resolution process that promotes the settlement of complaints. That is why over 90% of complaints are either resolved or withdrawn at some point during the process. Generally, we close 70% to 80% of files within nine months of receiving the complaint.
ln 2011-2012, we held over 40 hearings, 227 mediations, and 38 settlement conferences. In addition to the decisions on our web site, we also issued 1,159 unpublished decisions with respect to motions filed by the parties. These decisions were usually issued within a matter of days.
Settlement conferences have recently been added to the tribunal's "tool kit" to assist with case load and to provide another mechanism for parties to resolving their dispute.
Of note, 82% of mediations result in a withdrawal of the complaint while 74% of cases scheduled for a settlement conference also result in a withdrawal.
Since its inception, the tribunal has managed its ever growing case load and the increasing complexity of complaints through innovation, increased efficiencies and case management processes. This has allowed us to deliver our mandate within our allocated budget and to maintain our operating costs to a reasonable level. Some of these include: settlement conferences; telephone/video conferencing for mediations and settlement conferences; an expedited hearing pilot project for 2012-2013, which limits the hearing to one day with reasons provided in a shorter time frame for less complex cases; part-time mediators in the regions; early case management and consolidation of cases for hearing whenever possible.
While these on-going improvements aim to reduce time and cost required for both the parties and the tribunal, they also simplify the complaint process, improve its timeliness and help ensure that parties to a complaint achieve more satisfactory results and make good use of dispute resolution mechanisms available.
ln closing, I wish to emphasize that our objective is to provide parties with opportunities to resolve complaints effectively and to deliver decisions that are fair, consistent and well-reasoned.
[English]
In closing, I would like to thank you for your invitation and the opportunity to meet with you and answer your questions.
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Thank you, Mr. Chair, for this opportunity to meet with you today.
I have with me Ms. Virginia Adamson, the registry's senior counsel, should there be questions of a legal nature.
I'm happy to answer any questions the honourable committee members may have, but first, with your indulgence, I would like to make a few brief introductory remarks.
The registry of the Public Servants Disclosure Protection Tribunal was established in 2007 to support a new tribunal charged with the duty of protecting public servants who report wrongdoing in the federal public sector. The tribunal hears complaints of reprisal referred by the Public Sector Integrity Commissioner. It has the power to order remedies in favour of complainants and disciplinary sanctions against public servants who take reprisals. The tribunal consists of Federal Court judges who free themselves when necessary to hear cases.
[Translation]
The tribunal got off to a rocky start for reasons that we all know. However, the tribunal has everything it requires, at the present time, to fulfill its mandate under the Public Servants Disclosure Protection Act. The chairperson, the Honourable Luc Martineau, was appointed by the Governor in Council in June 2010 for a four-year term. The members of the tribunal, the Honourable Sean Harrington and the Honourable Marie-Josée Bédard, were appointed in March 2011, for a four-year and five-year term, respectively. The tribunal has adopted rules of procedure, which were published in the Canada Gazette, and the registry has posted, on its website, a procedural guide to help parties understand tribunal proceedings. It has also set up a consultation committee, made up of the tribunal's clients, to ensure the efficiency and effectiveness of proceedings.
The tribunal received its first application for a hearing from the Office of the Public Sector Integrity Commissioner in May 2011. Since then, two other applications have been sent to the tribunal. The tribunal has rendered five interlocutory decisions on jurisdiction and procedure, decisions which clarify the scope of the act and the role of the tribunal. The future decisions of the tribunal will bring greater clarity and will allow Canadians to assess the effectiveness of the act.
[English]
Since its establishment in 2007, the registry has never spent its full budget. Although it is very difficult to predict the number of cases the tribunal will hear this year, and consequently to assess the human and financial resource requirements to continue to support the tribunal in carrying out its mandate, the registry expects to spend its entire funding allocation this year. According to the latest information, there are about 20 reprisal complaints being investigated by the Office of the Public Sector Integrity Commissioner.
That said, the registry will continue to ensure that public funds are managed with prudence and probity and that resources are used effectively, efficiently, and economically to achieve objectives.
Thank you.
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Thank you, Mr. Chair, for the opportunity to speak with the committee today about the Public Service Labour Relations Board. I'm accompanied by Mr. Guy Lalonde, the executive director of the board.
I'd like to begin by describing who we are and what we do. The board is an independent, quasi-judicial tribunal. We are mandated by the Public Service Labour Relations Act to administer the collective bargaining and grievance adjudication systems in the federal public service. We are also mandated by the Parliamentary Employment and Staff Relations Act to perform the same role for the institutions of Parliament.
[Translation]
Established on April 1, 2005, the board replaced the Public Service Staff Relations Board, which had existed since 1967, when collective bargaining was first introduced in the federal public service.
[English]
We provide three main services: adjudication, mediation, and compensation analysis and research services.
Our adjudication function sets us apart from other labour relations boards in this country. We are unique. We are one of the few bodies in Canada that combine both adjudication services—that is, we hear and decide grievances—and impartial third-party services in the collective bargaining process. That is, we certify bargaining agents, manage complaints, and deal with the conciliation or arbitration of labour disputes.
Through our mediation services, we offer timely, impartial services that help the parties reach mutually acceptable solutions to their issues. What I would like to mention that's not in my notes is that the jurisdiction we cover is from one end of the country to the other. Some 350,000 public servants fall under our jurisdiction.
Our compensation analysis and research service, or what we commonly refer to as our CARS program, responds to the government's need for an accurate, impartial comparison of federal government employee compensation and that of other employers across the country, both public and private. To date, we have put in place the necessary tools, processes, and systems to ensure that we are in a state of readiness to conduct surveys and studies.
The government itself recognizes the importance of this service in supporting the collective bargaining and compensation decisions in the public service and the future requirements of the Public Sector Equitable Compensation Act. We will be able to provide these impartial compensation comparative analyses when the board receives appropriate funding for the data collection.
[Translation]
The government further expanded our mandate under the Budget Implementation Act of 2009, which transferred the responsibility for public-sector pay equity complaints from the Canadian Human Rights Commission to our board. As a result, we deal not only with complaints that were, or could be, filed with the Human Rights Commission, but also with those that may arise under the Public Sector Equitable Compensation Act when it comes into force. We are awaiting rulings in those matters.
[English]
We accept our various mandates, and indeed we have successfully confronted the challenges they have presented to us. The five-year review of the Public Service Modernization Act supports our position. The report describes the current regime as adequate, and that it provides an appropriate framework for people management in the federal public service.
[Translation]
I can also point to our 2010 Client Satisfaction Survey results, which demonstrate that our board has consistently met both its mandated responsibilities and its clients' needs—be it the Treasury Board, the Canada Revenue Agency or Parks Canada—or the various bargaining agents such as the Public Service Alliance of Canada, the Professional Institute of the Public Service of Canada, the Canadian Association of Professional Employees, or the Union of Canadian Correctional Officers.
Our survey revealed that clients were satisfied with our ability to improve labour relations, not only in terms of the everyday work that we do but also with the quality of assistance, reports and tools that we provide. Specifically, about 80% of the respondents said they are satisfied or very satisfied with the PSLRB's services overall.
[English]
While we are progressing well in terms of meeting our mandate in clients' needs, we continue to find innovative ways to help us manage our robust and increasingly complex caseload. Since the beginning of my tenure in 2007, I have witnessed a steady increase in the volume of cases that are referred to the board. More than a decade ago, there were about 1,200 cases in our registry. Today, that number has grown to nearly 6,000. Rest assured, however, on average we are able to close about 1,500 cases per year, which is an excellent effort, but we need to go further and use analytics and strong case management tools to cater more specifically and efficiently to the needs of certain parties.
[Translation]
For example, I note that, of all the grievances currently before the Board, 55% have been filed by employees of the same occupational group. In other words, this equates to one grievance being referred for every three employees in that bargaining unit. Since over one-half of the board's workload has been filed by a single group, our board has established a special task force to address the particular needs of those parties. This includes grouping the grievances together, dealing with policy issues by priority—the latter of which provides a benchmark for dealing with similar grievances—and consistently appointing arbitrators or mediators who have experience with the parties.
[English]
As well, we are investing in a more robust and thorough case management system that will enable us to cross-reference cases and deal with similar cases in a similar fashion.
But we must do more than focus on closing case files. We continue to review, analyze, and streamline our adjudication and mediation processes to optimize our resources and enhance our efficiency. From the moment we receive a grievance, we move into proactive case management mode. Often this means we aim to resolve matters brought before us through mediation. There are three-quarters of our cases in collective bargaining disputes referred to mediation that are resolved through our mediation interventions. That's almost 85% that we resolve through mediation.
This success of our mediation program and the calibre of our mediators are also supported by our client satisfaction survey results.
We also seek to make our hearings as productive and efficient as possible, through the use of pre-hearing conferences in which procedural matters are dealt with, and by dealing with hearings through written submissions or early analysis of the underlying issues.
It goes without saying that our ongoing efforts are particularly important in the current economic environment. Although we weren't asked to identify specific reductions in the government's strategic operational review, we nevertheless took it upon ourselves to thoroughly examine our operations, identify efficiencies, and look for cost-saving measures where possible.
Of note, over the past few years we have engaged in partnerships with other independent federal tribunals. The board currently provides certain corporate services—IT, web, finance, compensation, and HR services, and use of its library—to the Public Service Staffing Tribunal, from whom you've just heard, and other similar smaller tribunals under formal shared services agreements.
[Translation]
I am pleased to report that we continue to enhance our efficiency in the daily management of our hearings. Only one adjudicator hears a case, without the support of staff, and he or she travels to a location near the workplace, which limits the need for the grievor and witnesses to travel. Other tribunals use three-person panels, but we rely on a single member. We also use the hearing rooms of the Federal Court, and other administrative tribunals, whenever possible to minimize our costs.
[English]
Throughout the years we have demonstrated a proven record of success that has resulted in an enviable reputation in the labour relations world. What sets us apart, I believe, is our unique role and mandate of independent adjudication, mediation, and compensation analysis and research that we uphold. To do so, we work closely with federal workplace parties and support their efforts. In fact, just this morning we met with our client consultation committee, composed of employer and bargaining agent representatives, to discuss among other things hearing postponements and their regulation, which are an unproductive use of the board's resources.
In conclusion, we have the necessary experience, dedication, and commitment to continue our work and to meet the challenges before us. Our ability to resolve labour relations issues in an impartial and efficient manner will ensure that the delivery of programs and services to Canadians is not compromised.
That concludes my remarks. I will be pleased to respond to any questions you may have.
Thank you.
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Thank you for the question.
First, it is extremely difficult, if not impossible, to predict exactly how much money we're going to spend this year. However, I'm going out on a limb, saying that I think we're going to spend our full budget for the first time in our history. I'll tell you why.
Last fiscal year was the first time we received cases from the Public Sector Integrity Commissioner. As I mentioned earlier, my understanding is that the office of the commissioner is actively investigating about 20 reprisal complaints at the moment, which means that the tribunal can expect to receive a much larger number of cases.
The other thing is that in his remarks before the Senate Committee on National Finance in January, the commissioner, Mario Dion, said that he was seeing a significant increase in the number of disclosures of wrongdoing that were being made to his office, as well as a number of reprisal complaints. So I have to say that, again, a number of factors will have an impact on cost—not just the number of cases, but where the cases are going to be heard, whether they're going to be here in Ottawa or outside the national capital region, which entails travel, etc. There is also the complexity of cases, because in cases where the matter is considered complex, the three tribunal members will preside, instead of just one. That's already happened in one case.
There's also the question of how long the hearings will take. It's very difficult to tell because we don't have any experience.
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Anyway, we have the unanimous consent of the committee, I understand, to deal with them in groupings. I think we should proceed right away. You have the votes in front of you.
Shall votes 95, 100, 105, and 110 under Canadian Heritage carry?
Public Service Commission
Vote 95—Program expenditures..........$79,092,000
Public Service Labour Relations Board
Vote 100—Program expenditures..........$12,421,000
Public Service Staffing Tribunal
Vote 105—Program expenditures..........$4,812,000
Registry of the Public Servants Disclosure Protection Tribunal
Vote 110—Program expenditures..........$1,644,000
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(Votes 95, 100, 105, and 110 agreed to on division.)
The Chair: Shall vote 1 under the Governor General, less the amount voted in interim supply, carry?
Vote 1—Program expenditures..........$17,016,000
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(Vote 1 agreed to on division)
The Chair: Shall vote 1 under Parliament, less the amount voted in interim supply, carry?
Vote 1—Program expenditures..........$57,933,000
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(Vote 1 agreed to on division)
The Chair: The next cluster will be under Privy Council.
Shall votes 1, 5, 10, and 25 under Privy Council, less the amount voted in interim supply, carry?
Vote 1—Program expenditures..........$111,793,000
Canadian Intergovernmental Conference Secretariat
Vote 5—Program expenditures..........$6,144,000
Canadian Transportation Accident Investigation and Safety Board
Vote 10—Program expenditures..........$26,479,000
Public Appointments Commission Secretariat
Vote 25—Program expenditures..........$945,000
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(Votes 1, 5, 10, and 25 agreed to on division)
The Chair: Under Public Works and Government Services, shall votes 1, 5, 10, 15, 20, and 25, less the amount voted in interim supply, carry?
PUBLIC WORKS AND GOVERNMENT SERVICES
Public Works and Government Services
Vote 1—Operating expenditures..........$1,959,722,000
Vote 5—Capital expenditures..........$288,879,000
Vote 10—Contributions..........$5,497,000
Old Port of Montreal Corporation Inc.
Vote 15—Payments to the Old Port of Montreal Corporation Inc. for operating and capital expenditures..........$25,173,000
Vote 20—Operating expenditures..........$1,305,070,000
Vote 25—Capital expenditures..........$67,526,000
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(Votes 1, 5, 10, 15, 20, and 25 agreed to on division)
The Chair: Under Treasury Board, shall votes 1, 5, 10, 20, 25, 30, 33, 40, and 50, less the amount voted in interim supply, carry?
Treasury Board Secretariat
Vote 1—Program expenditures..........$224,183,000
Vote 5—Government Contingencies..........$750,000,000
Vote 10—Government-Wide Initiatives..........$3,193,000
Vote 20—Public Service Insurance..........$2,277,220,000
Vote 25—Operating Budget Carry Forward..........$1,200,000,000
Vote 30—Paylist Requirements..........$600,000,000
Vote 33—Capital Budget Carry Forward..........$600,000,000
Canada School of Public Service
Vote 40—Program expenditures..........$44,650,000
Public Sector Integrity Commission
Vote 50—Program expenditures..........$5,133,000
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(Votes 1, 5, 10, 20, 25, 30, 33, 40, and 50 agreed to on division)
The Chair: Finally, shall the chair report the main estimates 2012-13, less the amount voted in interim supply, to the House?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
Some hon. members: On division.
The Chair: That's excellent. Thank you.
We have two items of information, if I can just have everybody's attention.
Linda Duncan would like to serve a notice of motion. Would you like to do that first, Linda?