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MINUTES OF PROCEEDING
Meeting No. 33
Thursday April 30, 1998
The Standing Committee on Human Resources and the Status of Persons with Disabilities met at 11:10 o’clock a.m., this day, in Room 237-C, Centre Block, the Chair, Reg Alcock, presiding.
Members of the Committee present: Reg Alcock, Rob Anders, Claudette Bradshaw, Bonnie Brown, Brenda Chamberlain, Dale Johnston, Larry McCormick and Bryon Wilfert.
Acting Members present: Jocelyne Girald-Bujold for Paul Crête; Lynn Myers for Carolyn Bennett; Ian Murray for Nick Discepola; Roy Bailey for Diane Ablonczy; Aileen Carroll for Albina Guarnieri; Claude Drouin for Robert Nault; Pat Martin for Libby Davies; David Iftody for Reg Alcock; John Maloney for Bryon Wilfert; Sue Barnes for Claudette Bradshaw; John Maloney for Larry McCormick; Sue Barnes for Robert Nault; Steve Mahoney for Albina Guarnieri; Carmen Provenzano for Claudette Bradshaw; Paul Szabo for Reg Alcock; Jacques Saada for Carolyn Bennett; Carmen Provenzano for Bonnie Brown; Carmen Provenzano for Albina Guarnieri; Sue Barnes for Nick Discepola; Lynn Myers for Carol Bennett; John Richardson for Robert Nault; David Pratt for Albina Guarnieri; Jason Kenny for Diane Ablonczy; Chuck Strahl for Rob Anders; Mac Harb for Nick Discepola; Murray Calder for Bryon Wilfert; Peter Mancini for Libby Davies; Murray Calder for Nick Discepola; Dick Harris for Dale Johnston; Werner Schmidt for Diane Ablonczy; Sue Barnes for Robert Nault; Rahim Jaffer for Ron Anders; John McKay for Albina Guarnieri; Marlene Jennings for Nick Discepola; Jason Kenney for Rob Anders; Dick Harris for Diane Ablonczy; Mark Assad for Bryon Wilfert; Roy Cullen for Reg Alcock; Jacques Saada for Carolyn Bennett; Maurice Dumas for Christiane Gagnon; Derek Lee for Albina Guarnieri; Gerald Kenny for Diane Ablonczy; Dick Harris for Dale Johnston.
In attendance: From the Parliamentary Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: June Dewetering and Sandra Harder, Research Officers. From Committees and Legislative Services: Monique Hamilton, Suzanne Verville and Richard Dupuis, Legislative Clerks.
Witnesses: From Human Resources Development Canada: Michael McDermott, Senior Assistant Deputy Minister; Debra Robinson, Project Director, Legislative Review; Yvonne Beaupré, Senior Counsel, Legal Services. From Statistics Canada: Krishna Sahay, Director, Industrial Organization and Finance.
The Committee resumed consideration of Bill C-19, An Act to amend the Canada Labour Code (Part I) and the Corporations and Labour Unions Returns Act and to make consequential amendments to other Acts. (See Minutes of Proceedings of Tuesday, March 24, 1998, Meeting No. 9.)
On Clause 9.
Debate arose thereon.
Rob Anders moved, - That Bill C-19, in Clause 9, be amended by replacing line 34 on page 13 with the following:
"(1.1) The Board has standing, if requested by the courts, to appear in"
After debate, the question being put on the amendment, it was negatived on the following recorded division:
YEAS
Anders, Rob
Bailey, Roy
Johnston, Dale --3
NAYS
Brown, Bonnie
Chamberlain, Brenda
Drouin, Claude
Girald-Bujold, Jocelyne
Martin, Pat
McCormick, Larry
Murray, Ian
Myers, Lynn
Wilfert, Bryon --9
Clause 9 carried on division.
On Clause 10.
Debate arose thereon.
Rob Anders moved, --That Bill C-19, in Clause 10, be amended by replacing line 42 page 13 with the following:
"23.1 The Board may if requested by the Court, on application by a".
After debate, the question being put on the amendment, it was negatived on the following recorded division:
YEAS
Anders, Rob --1
NAYS
Bailey, Roy
Carroll, Aileen
Chamberlain, Brenda
Drouin, Claude
Girald-Bujold, Jocelyne
Johnston, Dale
Martin, Pat
Murray, Ian
Myers, Lynn
McCormick, Larry
Wilfert, Bryon --11
Debate resumed on Clause 10.
At 11:42 o’clock a.m., the Vice-Chair, Bonnie Brown, took the Chair.
Rob Anders moved, --That Bill C-19, in Clause 10, be amended by replacing line 45, page 13, with the following:
"or decision only in case where reasons is stipulated by the courts, exclusive of the reasons for it, in".
After debate, the question being put on the amendment, it was negatived on the following recorded division:
YEAS
Anders, Rob
Dale Johnston --2
NAYS
Bailey, Roy
Bradshaw, Claudette
Chamberlain, Brenda
Drouin, Claude
Girald-Bujold, Jocelyne
Martin, Pat
McCormick, Larry
Murray, Ian
Wilfert, Bryon--9
Clause 10 carried on the following recorded division:
YEAS
Bradshaw, Claudette
Chamberlain, Brenda
Drouin Claude
Martin, Pat
McCormick, Larry
Murray, Ian
Wilfert, Bryon--7
NAYS
Anders, Rob
Bailey, Roy
Girald-Bujold, Jocelyne
Johnston, Dale--4
On Clause 11.
Debate arose thereon.
Rob Anders moved, --That Bill C-19, in Clause 11, be amended by replacing lines 8 and 9, page 14, with the following:
"subsection (2) in respect of a unit must not be made".
Debate arose thereon.
After debate, the question being put on the amendment, it was negatived on the following recorded division:
YEAS
Anders, Rob
Bailey, Roy
Johnston, Dale --3
NAYS
Barnes, Sue
Carroll, Aileen
Chamberlain, Brenda
Drouin, Claude
Girald-Bujold, Jocelyne
Iftody, David
Martin, Pat
McCormick, Larry
Murray, Ian
Wilfert, Bryon --10
Debate resumed on Clause 11.
Clause 11 carried on the following recorded division:
YEAS
Bailey, Roy
Barnes, Sue
Bradshaw, Claudette
Carroll, Aileen
Johnston, Dale
Maloney, John
Martin, Pat
Murray, Ian
Myers, Lynn
Wilfert, Bryon --10
NAYS
Anders, Rob
Girald-Bujold, Jocelyne --2
On Clause 12.
Debate arose thereon.
At 1:00 o’clock p.m., Rob Anders moved, - That the Committee do now adjourn.
The question being put on the motion it was negatived.
Debate resumed on Clause 12.
Rob Anders moved, --That Bill C-19, in Clause 12, be amended by replacing line 21, page 14, with the following:
"applies".
After debate, the question being put on the amendment, it was negatived on the following recorded division:
YEAS
Anders, Rob
Johnston, Dale --2
NAYS
Barnes, Sue
Bailey, Roy
Bradshaw, Claudette
Chamberlain, Brenda
Girald-Bujold, Jocelyne
Mahoney, Steve
Maloney, John
Martin, Pat
Murray, Ian
Myers, Lynn
Wilfert, Bryon --11
Debate resumed on Clause 12.
Rob Anders moved, --That Bill C-19, in Clause 12, be amended by replacing line 15, page 14, with the following:
"24.1 A trade union that is certified and"
After debate, the question being put on the amendment, it was negatived on the following recording division:
YEAS
Rob Anders --1
NAYS
Bradshaw, Claudette
Carroll, Aileen
Chamberlain, Brenda
Drouin, Claude
Girard-Bujold, Jocelyne
Johnston, Dale
Myers, Lynn
Martin, Pat
McCormick, Larry
Murray, Ian
Bryon, Wilfert –11
Debate resumed on Clause 12.
The question being put on Clause 12, it carried on the following recorded division:
YEAS
Bradshaw, Claudette
Carroll, Aileen
Chamberlain, Brenda
Drouin, Claude
Martin, Pat
McCormick, Larry
Murray, Ian
Myers, Lynn
Wilfert, Bryon --9
NAYS
Anders, Rob
Girald-Bujold, Jocelyne
Johnston, Dale --3
At 1:45 o’clock p.m., Dale Johnston moved, - That the Committee do now adjourn.
The question being put on the motion, it was negatived on the following recorded division:
YEAS
Anders, Rob
Bailey, Roy
Johnston, Dale --3
NAYS
Bradshaw, Claudette
Carroll, Aileen
Chamberlain, Brenda
Drouin, Claude
Girald-Bujold, Jocelyne
Martin, Pat
McCormick, Larry
Murray, Ian
Myers, Lynn
Wilfert, Bryon --10
On Clause 13.
At 1:50 o’clock p.m. the Acting Chair, Larry McCormick took the Chair as Acting Chairman.
Rob Anders moved, -- That Bill C-19, in Clause 13, be amended by replacing line 24, page 14, with the following:
"(1.1) Any person except permanently reassigned employee, who was not an employee".
Debate arose thereon.
After debate, the question being put on the amendment, it was negatived on the following recorded division:
YEAS
Anders, Rob --1
NAYS
Carroll, Aileen
Chamberlain, Brenda
Drouin, Claude
Johnston, Dale
Martin, Pat
Murray, Ian
Provenzano, Carmen
Wilfert, Bryon --8
Debate resumed on Clause 13.
The question being put on Clause 13 it carried on the following recorded division:
YEAS
Carroll, Aileen
Chamberlain, Brenda
Drouin, Claude
Martin, Pat
Murray, Ian
Provenzano, Carmen
Wilfert, Bryon --7
NAYS
Anders, Rob
Bailey, Roy
Johnston, Dale --3
Jocelyne Girald-Bujold moved, - That the Committee do now adjourn.
The question being put on the motion, it was negatived on the following recorded division:
YEAS
Anders, Rob
Bailey, Roy
Johnston, Dale
Girald-Bujold, Jocelyne --4
NAYS
Bradshaw, Claudette
Carroll, Aileen
Chamberlain, Brenda
Martin, Pat
Murray, Ian
Provenzano, Carmen
Saada, Jacques
Wilfert, Bryon --8
Roy Bailey moved, - That the Committee suspend until after Question Period.
The question being put on the motion, it was negatived on the following recorded division:
YEAS
Anders, Rob
Bailey, Roy
Girald-Bujold, Jocelyne
Johnston, Dale
Martin, Pat --5
NAYS
Bradshaw, Claudette
Carroll, Aileen
Chamberlain, Brenda
Murray, Ian
Provenzano, Carmen
Saada, Jacques
Wilfert, Bryon --7
On Clause 14.
Debate arose thereon.
Rob Anders moved, - That Clause 14 stand until an independent interpretation of the translation of Clause 14 is obtained.
The question being put on the motion, it was negatived on the following recorded division:
YEAS
Anders, Rob
Johnston, Dale --2
NAYS
Bradshaw, Claudette
Carroll, Aileen
Chamberlain, Brenda
Drouin, Claude
Martin, Pat
Murray, Ian
Provenzano, Carmen
Szabo, Paul
Wilfert, Bryon --9
Debate resumed on Clause 14.
The question being put on Clause 14, it carried on the following recorded division:
YEAS
Bradshaw, Claudette
Carroll, Aileen
Chamberlain, Brenda
Drouin, Claude
Martin, Pat
Murray, Ian
Provenzano, Carmen
Saada, Jacques
Szabo, Paul
Wilfert, Bryon --10
NAYS
Anders, Rob
Johnston, Dale --2
On Clause 15.
Debate arose thereon.
The question being put on Clause 15, it carried on the following recorded division:
YEAS
Bradshaw, Claudette
Chamberlain, Brenda
Drouin, Claude
Murray, Ian
Provenzano, Carmen
Saada, Jacques
Szabo, Paul
Wilfert, Bryon --8
NAYS
Anders, Rob
Johnston, Dale --2
On Clause 16.
Debate arose thereon.
The question being put on the Clause 16, it was carried on the following recorded division:
YEAS
Bradshaw, Claudette
Chamberlain, Brenda
Drouin, Claude
Martin, Pat
Murray, Ian
Provenzano, Carmen
Saada, Jacques
Szabo, Paul
Wilfert, Bryon --9
NAYS
Anders, Rob
Bailey, Roy
Johnston, Dale --3
At 2:27 o’clock p.m., the Vice-Chair, Bonnie Brown, assumed the Chair.
By unanimous consent, it was agreed, --That Pat Martin’s name be added to Clause 15’s recorded division.
Accordingly, the recorded division on Clause 15 now reads as follows:
YEAS
Bradshaw, Claudette
Chamberlain, Brenda
Drouin, Claude
Martin Pat
Murray, Ian
Provenzano, Carmen
Saada, Jacques
Szabo, Paul
Wilfert, Bryon --9
NAYS
Anders, Rob
Johnston, Dale --2
On Clause 17.
Debate arose thereon.
Rob Anders moved, --That Bill C-19, in Clause 17, be amended by replacing line 26, page 16, with the following:
"direction, the Board may declare".
After debate, the question being put on the amendment, it was negatived on the following recorded division:
YEAS
Anders, Rob
Johnston, Dale --2
NAYS
Bailey, Roy
Bradshaw, Claudette
Chamberlain, Brenda
Drouin, Claude
Martin, Pat
McCormick, Larry
Murray, Ian
Provenzano, Carmen
Saada, Jacques
Szabo, Paul
Wilfert, Bryon –11
Debate resumed on Clause 17.
Rob Anders moved, --That Bill C-19, in Clause 17, be amended by replacing line 26, page 16, with the following:
"direction, the Board may note".
After debate, the question being put on the amendment, it was negatived on the following recorded division:
YEAS
Anders, Rob --1
NAYS
Bailey, Roy
Bradshaw, Claudette
Chamberlain, Brenda
Drouin, Claude
Johnston, Dale
Martin, Pat
McCormick, Larry
Murray, Ian
Provenzano, Carmen
Saada, Jacques
Szabo, Paul
Wilfert, Bryon --12
Debate resumed on Clause 17.
Rob Anders moved, --That Bill C-19, in Clause 17, be amended by replacing line 34, page 16, with the following:
"and trade unions a minimum one month opportunity to make".
Debate arose thereon.
The question being put on the amendment, it was negatived on the following recorded division:
YEAS
Anders, Rob
Johnston, Dale --2
NAYS
Bradshaw, Claudette
Chamberlain, Brenda
Drouin, Claude
Martin, Pat
Murray, Ian
Provenzano, Carmen
Saada, Jacques
Wilfert, Bryon --8
Debate resumed on Clause 17.
Rob Anders moved, --That Bill C-19, in Clause 17, be amended by replacing line 37, page 16 with the following:
"under subsection (1), suggest whether the".
And a point of order having been raised as to the procedural acceptability of the proposed motion, the Vice-Chair ruled:
RULING BY THE VICE-CHAIR
Rob Anders’ motion is not in order because the proposed amendment is reversing the purpose of the clause. The amendment is the equivalent to a negatived of the Clause. The proper course is to vote against the Clause standing part of the bill, according to Beauchene's 6th Edition, citation 698(6).
Whereon, Rob Anders appealed the decision of the Chair.
And the question being put on the decision, it was sustained on the following recorded division:
YEAS
Alcock, Reg
Barnes, Sue
Bradshaw, Claudette
Johnston, Dale
Martin, Pat
McCormick, Larry
Myers, Lynn
Richardson, John
Wilfert, Bryon –9
NAYS
Anders, Rob --1
Debate resumed on Clause 17.
The question being put on Clause 17, it carried on the following recorded division:
YEAS
Alcock, Reg
Barnes, Sue
Bradshaw, Claudette
Martin, Pat
McCormick, Larry
Myers, Lynn
Pratt, David
Richardson, John
Wilfert, Bryon --9
NAYS
Anders, Rob
Bailey, Sue
Girald-Bujold, Jocelyne
Johnston, Dale --4
On Clause 18.
Debate arose thereon.
The question being put on Clause 18, it carried on the following recorded division:
YEAS
Alcock, Reg
Barnes, Sue
Bradshaw, Claudette
Martin, Pat
McCormick, Larry
Myers, Lynn
Pratt, David
Richardson, John --8
NAYS
Anders, Rob
Bailey, Sue
Girald-Bujold, Jocelyne --3
On Clause 19.
Debate arose thereon.
The question being put on Clause 19, it carried on the following recorded division:
YEAS
Alcock, Reg
Bradshaw, Claudette
Chamberlain, Sue
Martin, Pat
McCormick, Larry
Myers, Lynn
Pratt, David
Richardson, John --8
NAYS
Girald-Bujold, Jocelyne
Johnston, Dale
Kenney, Jason
Strahl, Chuck --4
At 3:34 o’clock p.m. the Chair, Reg Alcock, assumed the Chair.
On Clause 20.
Debate arose thereon.
The question being put on Clause 20, it carried on the following recorded division:
YEAS
Bradshaw, Claudette
Chamberlain, Sue
Martin, Pat
McCormick, Larry
Myers, Lynn
Pratt, David
Richardson, John --7
NAYS
Girald-Bujold, Jocelyne
Johnston, Dale
Kenny, Jason
Strahl, Chuck --4
On Clause 21.
Debate arose thereon.
At 4:07 o’clock p.m. the Vice-Chair, Bonnie Brown, assumed the Chair.
And the question being put on Clause 21, it carried on the following recorded division:
YEAS
Calder, Murray
Chamberlain, Brenda
Mancini, Peter
McCormick, Larry
Myers, Lynn
Pratt, David
Richardson, John --7
NAYS
Girald-Bujold, Jocelyne
Johnston, Dale
Kenney, Jason
Strahl, Chuck --4
On Clause 22.
Debate arose thereon.
At 4:20 p.m., the Chair, Reg Alcock, assumed the Chair.
The question being put on Clause 22, it carried on the following recorded division:
YEAS
Bradshaw, Claudette
Brown, Bonnie
Calder, Murray
Chamberlain, Brenda
Martin, Pat
McCormick, Larry
Pratt, David
Richardson, John
Wilfert, Bryon --9
NAYS
Girald-Bujold, Jocelyne
Johnston, Dale
Kenney, Jason
Strahl, Chuck --4
On Clause 23.
Debate arose thereon.
And the question being put on Clause 23, it carried on the following recorded division:
YEAS
Bradshaw, Claudette
Brown, Bonnie
Calder, Murray
Chamberlain, Brenda
Martin, Pat
McCormick, Larry
Richardson, John
Wilfert, Bryon --8
NAYS
Girald-Bujold, Jocelyne
Johnston, Dale
Kenny, Jason
Strahl, Chuck --4
On Clause 24.
Debate arose thereon.
Jason Kenny moved, -- That Bill C-19, in Clause 24 be amended by deleting lines 42 to 45, page 19, and lines 1 to 4, page 20.
After debate, the question being put on the amendment, it was negatived on the following recorded division:
YEAS
Harris, Dick
Kenney, Jason
Strahl, Chuck --3
NAYS
Bradshaw, Claudette
Brown, Bonnie
Calder, Murray
Chamberlain, Brenda
Girald-Bujold, Jocelyne
Martin, Pat
McCormick, Larry
Pratt, David
Wilfert, Bryon --9
Debate resumed on Clause 24.
And a point of order having been raised regarding the right of a member to vote while not in his seat, the chairman ruled:
RULING BY THE CHAIR
As long as a member of the Committee is in the room he may vote, according to Beauchesnes 6th Edition, citations 803 and 912(4).
Whereupon, Chuck Strahl appealed the decision of the Chair.
And the question being put on the decision, it was sustained on the following recorded division:
YEAS
Bradshaw, Claudette
Brown, Bonnie
Calder, Murray
Chamberlain, Brenda
Girald-Bujold, Jocelyne
Martin, Pat
McCormick, Larry
Myers, Lynn
Pratt, David
Richardson, John
Wilfert, Bryon --11
NAYS
Harris, Dick
Kenney, Jason
Strahl, Chuck –3
Debate resumed on Clause 24.
The question being put on Clause 24, it carried on the following recorded division:
YEAS
Bradshaw, Claudette
Brown, Bonnie
Calder, Murray
Chamberlain, Brenda
Martin, Pat
McCormick, Larry
Myers, Lynn
Pratt, David
Richardson, John
Wilfert, Bryon --10
NAYS
Girald-Bujold, Jocelyne
Johnston, Dale
Schmidt, Werner
Strahl, Chuck --4
At 5:04 o’clock p.m. the Vice-Chair, Bonnie Brown, assumed the Chair.
On Clause 25.
Debate arose thereon.
The question being put on Clause 25, it carried on the following recorded division:
YEAS
Bradshaw, Claudette
Calder, Murray
Chamberlain, Brenda
Martin, Pat
McCormick, Larry
Myers, Lynn
Pratt, David
Wilfert, Bryon --8
NAYS
Girald-Bujold, Jocelyne
Harris, Dick
Schmidt, Werner
Strahl, Chuck --4
On Clause 26.
Debate arose thereon.
At 5:17 o’clock p.m. the Chair, Reg Alcock, assumed the Chair.
Chuck Strahl moved, - That Clause 26 be amended by replacing line 35, page 20 with the following:
"the parties to make representation, the parties, the Board or at the discretion of ".
Debate arose thereon.
At 5:28 o’clock p.m. the Vice-Chair, Bonnie Brown, assumed the Chair.
The question being put on the amendment, it was negatived on the following recorded division:
YEAS
Girald-Bujold, Jocelyne
Harris, Dick
Strahl, Chuck --3
NAYS
Calder, Murray
Chamberlain, Brenda
Martin, Pat
McCormick, Larry
Myers, Lynn
Pratt, David
Wilfert, Bryon --7
Debate resumed on Clause 26.
The question being put on Clause 26, it carried on the following recorded division:
YEAS
Alcock, Reg
Calder, Murray
Chamberlain, Brenda
Martin, Pat
McCormick, Larry
Myers, Lynn
Pratt, David
Wilfert, Bryon --8
NAYS
Girald-Bujold, Jocelyne
Harris, Dick
Schmidt, Werner
Strahl, Chuck --4
On Clause 27.
Debate arose thereon.
Dick Harris moved, --That Clause 27 be amended by replacing line 6 et 7 page 21 by the following:
"the arbitration board considers such submissions provided in such form or by such method considered appropriate or to which the parties agree provided on such method be final offer selection arbitration;"
Debate arose thereon.
The question being put on the amendment, it was negatived on the following recorded division:
YEAS
Harris, Dick
Jaffer, Rahim
Schmidt, Werner --3
NAYS
Barnes, Sue
Bradshaw, Claudette
Calder, Murray
Chamberlain, Brenda
Girald-Bujold, Jocelyne
McCormick, Larry
McKay, John
Myers, Lynn
Wilfert, Bryon --9
The question being put on Clause 27, it carried on the following recorded division:
YEAS
Barnes, Sue
Bradshaw, Claudette
Chamberlain, Brenda
Jennings, Marlene
McCormick, Larry
McKay, John
Myers, Lynn
Wilfert, Bryon --8
NAYS
Girald-Bujold, Jocelyne
Jaffer, Rahim
Johnston, Dale --3
On Clause 28.
Debate arose thereon.
The question being put on Clause 28, it carried on the following recorded division:
YEAS
Barnes, Sue
Bradshaw, Claudette
Chamberlain, Brenda
Jennings, Marlene
McCormick, Larry
McKay, John
Wilfert, Bryon --7
NAYS
Girald-Bujold, Jocelyne
Johnston, Dale
Kenney, Jason
Martin, Pat --4
On Clause 29.
Debate arose thereon.
At 6:22 o’clock p.m. the sitting was suspended.
At 6:40 o’clock p.m., the sitting resumed.
The question being put on Clause 29 it carried on the following recorded division:
YEAS
Assad, Mark
Barnes, Sue
Bradshaw, Claudette
Chamberlain, Brenda
Cullen, Roy
Jennings, Brenda
Martin, Pat
McCormick, Larry
McKay, John
Saada, Jacques --10
NAYS
Dumas, Maurice
Harris, Dick
Girald-Bujold, Jocelyne
Johnston, Dale
Kenney, Jason --5
On Clause 30.
Debate arose thereon.
Dick Harris moved, --That Clause 30 be amended by replacing line 15, page 23 with the following:
"under subsection (1) must within forty eight hours send a".
Debate arose thereon.
The question being put on the amendment, it was negatived on the following recorded division:
YEAS
Harris, Dick
Johnston, Dale
Kenney, Jason --3
NAYS
Assad, Mark
Barnes, Sue
Bradshaw, Claudette
Chamberlain, Brenda
Cullen, Roy
Dumas, Maurice
Jennings, Brenda
Martin, Pat
McCormick, Larry
McKay, John
Saada, Jacques --11
Debate resumed on Clause 30.
The question being put on Clause 30, it carried on the following recorded division:
YEAS
Assad, Mark
Barnes, Sue
Bradshaw, Claudette
Chamberlain, Brenda
Cullen, Roy
Jennings, Brenda
Martin, Pat
McCormick, Larry
Saada, Jacques --9
NAYS
Dumas, Maurice
Harris, Dick
Johnston, Dale
Kenney, Jason --4
On Clause 31 and 32.
Debate arose thereon.
The question being put on Clauses 31 and 32 they carried severally on the following recorded division:
YEAS
Barnes, Sue
Bradshaw, Claudette
Chamberlain, Brenda
Cullen, Roy
Jennings, Brenda
Lee, Derek
Martin, Pat
Saada, Jacques --8
NAYS
Dumas, Maurice
Harris, Dick
Johnston, Dale
Kenney, Jason --4
On Clause 33.
Rob Anders proposed, --That Clause 33 be amended by replacing lines 32 and 33, page 24 with the following:
"(2) The conciliation officer is ordered to report sixty days after the date on".
RULING BY THE VICE-CHAIR
Rob Ander’s amendement is out of order since it is the equivalent to a negative of the Clause. The proper course is to vote against the clause according to Beauchenes 6th Edition, citation 698(6).
Whereupon, Rob Anders appealed the decision of the Vice-Chair.
And the question being put on the decision it was sustained on the following recorded division:
YEAS
Barnes, Sue
Bradshaw, Claudette
Chamberlain, Brenda
Cullen, Roy
Dumas, Maurice
Jennings, Marlene
Johnston, Dale
Kenney, Jason
Lee, Derek
Martin, Pat
McCormick, Larry
Saada, Jacques --12
NAYS
Anders, Rob --1
Debate on Clause 33 resumed.
The question being put on Clause 33, it carried on the following recorded division:
YEAS
Assad, Mark
Barnes, Sue
Chamberlain, Brenda
Cullen, Roy
Lee, Derek
Martin, Pat
McCormick, Larry
Saada, Jacques --8
NAYS
Anders, Rob
Dumas, Maurice
Johnston, Dale
Kenney, Jason --4
On Clause 34.
Debate arose thereon.
Rob Anders moved, - That Clause 34 be amended by replacing line 4 page 26 with the following:
"for a period of 18 months after the date on".
After debate, the question being put on the amendment, it was negatived on the following recorded division:
YEAS
Anders, Rob
Harris, Dick
Kenney, Jason --3
NAYS
Assad, Mark
Barnes, Sue
Chamberlain, Brenda
Cullen Roy
Dumas, Maurice
Lee, Derek
Martin, Pat
McCormick, Larry
Saada, Jacques --9
Clause 34 carried on the following recorded division:
YEAS
Assad, Mark
Barnes, Sue
Bradshaw, Claudette
Chamberlain, Brenda
Cullen, Roy
Lee, Derek
Martin, Pat
McCormick, Larry
Saada, Jacques --9
NAYS
Anders, Rob
Dumas, Maurice
Kenney, Jason --3
On Clause 35.
Debate arose thereon.
Rob Anders moved, --That Clause 35 be amended by replacing line 11, page 26 with the following:
"board, the Minister shall within twenty four hours, by".
After debate, the question being put on the amendment, it was negatived on the following recorded division:
YEAS
Anders, Rob
Kenney, Jason --2
NAYS
Assad, Mark
Barnes, Sue
Bradshaw, Claudette
Chamberlain, Brenda
Cullen, Roy
Dumas, Maurice
Jennings, Marlene
Lee, Derek
Martin, Pat
McCormick, Larry
Saada, Jacques --11
Clause 35 carried on the following recorded division:
YEAS
Assad, Mark
Barnes, Sue
Bradshaw, Claudette
Chamberlain, Brenda
Cullen, Roy
Jennings, Marlene
Lee, Derek
Martin, Pat
McCormick, Larry
Saada, Jacques --10
NAYS
Anders, Rob
Dumas, Maurice
Kenney, Jason
Johnston, Dale --4
On Clause 36.
Debate arose thereon.
At 8:01 o’clock p.m. the Acting-Chair, Larry McCormick, assumed the Chair.
At 8:07 o’clock p.m., the sitting was suspended.
At 8:13 o’clock p.m., the sitting resumed.
Debate resumed on Clause 36.
Clause 36 carried on division.
Clause 37 to 49 carried severally, on division.
On Clause 50.
Dale Johnston moved, -- That Bill C-19, in Clause 50, be amended by replacing lines 12 to 14 on page 38, with the following:
"(a) provide each employee with the opportunity to refuse the giving of their name and address to the representative of the trade union that the Board authorizes and, if the employee does not so refuse, may transmit that name and address to the authorized representative; or
(b) transmit the information that the union wishes to communicate to the employees in the manner it considers appropriate."
And the question being put on the amendment, it was carried.
And the question being put on Clause 50, as amended, it carried.
Clauses 51 to 97 carried severally, on division.
The Title carried.
The Bill, as amended, carried on division.
ORDERED, - That the Chair report the Bill to the House.
At 8:18 o’clock p.m. the Committee adjourned.
Danielle Parent-Belisle
Clerk of the Committe