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Minutes of Proceedings
The Committee resumed consideration of the motion, as amended, moved by Charlie Angus, on Monday, November 2, 2020, which read as follows:
That, pursuant to Standing Order 108(3)(h), this committee undertake a study into issues of conflict of interest and the Lobbying Act in relation to pandemic spending;
that this study continue our work relating to the Canada Student Service Grant, including this committee’s work to review the safeguards to prevent conflicts of interest in federal government expenditures; government spending, WE Charity and the Canada Student Service Grant; and the administration of the Canada Student Service Grant and WE Charity;
and that this study include:
(a) the consideration of all aspects of the government’s involvement with Baylis Medical Company Inc., as well as former Liberal Member of Parliament Frank Baylis, including the awarding of a procurement contract for medical devices;
(b) an examination into Palantir Canada’s relationship with the government including the breach of the Conflict of Interest Act by its president and former Canadian ambassador to the U.S. David MacNaughton;
(c) the committee study mainly, contracts with regards to speeches of Justin Trudeau and Sophie Grégoire Trudeau within the framework of activities organized by Speakers’ Spotlight since October 14, 2008;
(d) that the committee invite Speakers’ Spotlight representatives to testify about all files related to speeches organized since October 14, 2008, for Justin Trudeau and Sophie Grégoire-Trudeau;
(e) that an order be issued to Speakers’ Spotlight to obtain a copy of all records related to speeches organized since October 14, 2008, for Justin Trudeau and Sophie Grégoire Trudeau—including, for each speech, the amounts paid, any expenses reimbursed and the name of the company, organization, person or entity that organized it;
(f) that the documents listed in section (e) be delivered to the clerk of the committee within seven days of the adoption of this motion and that their consideration be in camera;
(g) that for the consideration of documents studied during in camera meetings:
- i. only committee members be allowed to participate;
- ii. no mobile or electronic device be allowed in the room during these meetings;
- iii. numbered hard copies of documents be given to committee members by the clerk at the beginning of each meeting scheduled for that purpose and that these copies be given to the clerk at the end of each meeting;
- iv. copies of documents be kept in the clerk’s office and that outside of meetings committee members can only view them by going to the clerk’s office, and no mobile or electronic device be in the room during the consultation of documents; and
that the committee report its findings to the House with recommendations to better permit the government to conduct the business of government with public confidence in its integrity.
Greg Fergus moved, — That the motion be amended following the words "related to speeches organized since" by replacing the words "October 14, 2008", with the words “which they have in their possession going back to 2013, and any other additional relevant documents, as referenced in their public letter shared on Tuesday, November 10, 2020”.
At 12:12 p.m., the sitting was suspended.
At 12:30 p.m., the sitting resumed.
RULING BY THE CHAIR
The Chair ruled the amendment out of order as it was amending an amendment already adopted within the motion and thus was a decision already taken by the committee.
The Committee resumed consideration of the motion, as amended, moved by Charlie Angus, which read as follows:
That, pursuant to Standing Order 108(3)(h), this committee undertake a study into issues of conflict of interest and the Lobbying Act in relation to pandemic spending;
that this study continue our work relating to the Canada Student Service Grant, including this committee’s work to review the safeguards to prevent conflicts of interest in federal government expenditures; government spending, WE Charity and the Canada Student Service Grant; and the administration of the Canada Student Service Grant and WE Charity;
and that this study include:
(a) the consideration of all aspects of the government’s involvement with Baylis Medical Company Inc., as well as former Liberal Member of Parliament Frank Baylis, including the awarding of a procurement contract for medical devices;
(b) an examination into Palantir Canada’s relationship with the government including the breach of the Conflict of Interest Act by its president and former Canadian ambassador to the U.S. David MacNaughton;
(c) the committee study mainly, contracts with regards to speeches of Justin Trudeau and Sophie Grégoire Trudeau within the framework of activities organized by Speakers’ Spotlight since October 14, 2008;
(d) that the committee invite Speakers’ Spotlight representatives to testify about all files related to speeches organized since October 14, 2008, for Justin Trudeau and Sophie Grégoire-Trudeau;
(e) that an order be issued to Speakers’ Spotlight to obtain a copy of all records related to speeches organized since October 14, 2008, for Justin Trudeau and Sophie Grégoire Trudeau—including, for each speech, the amounts paid, any expenses reimbursed and the name of the company, organization, person or entity that organized it;
(f) that the documents listed in section (e) be delivered to the clerk of the committee within seven days of the adoption of this motion and that their consideration be in camera;
(g) that for the consideration of documents studied during in camera meetings:
- i. only committee members be allowed to participate;
- ii. no mobile or electronic device be allowed in the room during these meetings;
- iii. numbered hard copies of documents be given to committee members by the clerk at the beginning of each meeting scheduled for that purpose and that these copies be given to the clerk at the end of each meeting;
- iv. copies of documents be kept in the clerk’s office and that outside of meetings committee members can only view them by going to the clerk’s office, and no mobile or electronic device be in the room during the consultation of documents; and
that the committee report its findings to the House with recommendations to better permit the government to conduct the business of government with public confidence in its integrity.
At 1:21 p.m., the sitting was suspended.
At 1:28 p.m., the sitting resumed.
Debate continued.
At 1:50 p.m., the sitting was suspended.
At 2:00 p.m., the sitting resumed.
Francesco Sorbara moved, — That the motion be amended by adding after section b) the following: “c) that in order to comply with Canadian and Provincial privacy laws, that any request for documents be limited to those documents in the organization’s possession, as well as other relevant documents they may have”.
At 2:28 p.m., the sitting was suspended.
At 2:38 p.m., the sitting resumed.
After debate, the question was put on the amendment and the result of the vote was announced:
YEAS: Vance Badawey, Han Dong, Geoff Regan, Darrell Samson, Francesco Sorbara — 5;
NAYS: Charlie Angus, Michael Barrett, Marie-Hélène Gaudreau, Jacques Gourde, Chris Warkentin — 5.
Whereupon, the Chair voted in the negative.
Accordingly, the amendment was negatived.
At 3:26 p.m., the sitting was suspended.
At 3:31 p.m., the sitting resumed.
The committee resumed consideration of the motion, as amended.
At 5:32 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.