-- com: Fisheries and Oceans (minutes)

MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

MONDAY, MARCH 11, 1996
(Meeting No. 1)

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The Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans met at 3:40 o'clock p.m. this day, in Room 269, West Block, for the purpose of electing a Chair and Vice-Chairs, pursuant to Standing Orders 106(1) and 106(2).

Members of the Committee present: Diane Ablonczy, Yvan Bernier, Herb Dhaliwal, Joe McGuire, Mike Scott and Derek Wells.

Acting Members present: Madeleine Dalphond-Guiral for René Canuel; Wayne Easter for Harold Culbert; Julian Reed for Ted McWhinney and John Murphy for Harry Verran.

In attendance: From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: Alan Nixon, Research Officer.

The Clerk of the Committee presided over the election of a Chair.

On motion of Wayne Easter, seconded by John Murphy, it was agreed,--That Joe McGuire do take the Chair of this Committee as Chair.

Accordingly, Joe McGuire took the Chair of the Committee.

Diane Ablonczy moved,--That Mike Scott be elected as Vice-Chair of the Committee.

After debate, the question being put on the motion, it was negatived on the following recorded vote:

YEAS

Diane Ablonczy
Mike Scott--(2)

NAYS

Yvan Bernier
John Murphy
Madeleine Dalphond-Guiral
Julian Reed
Herb Dhaliwal
Derek Wells--(7)
Wayne Easter

Madeleine Dalphond-Guiral moved,--That Yvan Bernier be elected as Vice-Chair of the Committee.

After debate, the question being put on the motion, it was agreed to on the following recorded vote:

YEAS

Madeleine Dalphond-Guiral
John Murphy
Herb Dhaliwal
Julian Reed
Wayne Easter
Derek Wells--(6)

NAYS

Diane Ablonczy
Mike Scott--(2)

On motion of Wayne Easter, it was agreed,--That Derek Wells, be elected as Vice-Chair of the Committee.

On motion of John Murphy, it was agreed,--That the Chair, the two Vice-Chairs and other Members appointed by the Chair, after the usual consultations with the Whips and the Coordinator of the different Parties, do compose the Sub-Committee on Agenda and Procedure, provided that the Sub-Committee's membership reflects the same proportion as in the House.

On motion of Herb Dhaliwal, it was agreed,--That the Committee print its Minutes of Proceedings when it receives evidence and that the number of copies printed be in accordance with guidelines from the Board of Internal Economy.

On motion of Derek Wells, it was agreed,--That the Chair be authorized to hold meetings in order to receive and authorize the publication of evidence when a quorum is not present provided that at least 2 Members be present including a Member of the opposition.

On motion of Derek Wells, it was agreed,--That one (1) transcript of all in camera meetings be produced and kept in the Committee Clerk's office for consultation and; that all those transcripts be destroyed at the end of this session including those from the 1st Session.

On motion of Herb Dhaliwal, it was agreed,--That the Committee retain the services of one or more Research Officers from the Library of Parliament to assist the Committee in its works under the direction of the Chair and the Committee.

On motion of Wayne Easter, it was agreed,--That, at the discretion of the Chair, reasonable travelling expenses be paid as per the regulations established by the Board of Internal Economy, to witnesses invited to appear before the Committee, and that for such payment of expenses a limit of 2 representatives per organization be established unless otherwise ordered by the Steering Committee.

Yvan Bernier moved,--That during the questioning of witnesses at any meeting of the Standing Committee, there be allocated 10 minutes per Party for the first round of questions and 5 minutes per member for the subsequent rounds, provided that every member, or substitute member, be offered the opportunity to question the witnesses.

After debate, the question being put on the motion, it was agreed to, on division.

On motion of Herb Dhaliwal, it was agreed,--That the Clerk of the Committee be authorized to distribute, in their original language, the documents received from the Public and that the Clerk of the Committee ensure that such documents are promptly translated and distributed.

On motion of Wayne Easter, it was agreed,--That the Committee authorize the Chair, from time to time, as the need arises, to take, in conjunction with the Clerk of the Committee, the appropriate measures to provide lunches for the Committee and its Sub-Committees, for working purposes, and that the cost of these lunches be charged to the budget of the Committee.

At 4:04 o'clock p.m., the Committee proceeded to an in camera meeting.

It was agreed,--That the Committee invite officials from the Department of Fisheries and Oceans and the Department of Human Resources Development for a briefing on the Atlantic Groundfish Strategy program (Tags).

It was agreed,--That the Committee invite officials from the Department of Fisheries and Oceans for briefings on Coast Guard fees, the Pacific Salmon Treaty, the Salmonoid Enhancement Program and the seal protest.

It was agreed,--That the Committee undertake a study of the West Coast Groundfish Strategy via televideoconference.

At 4:30 o'clock p.m., the Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

THURSDAY, MARCH 21, 1996
(Meeting No. 2)

The Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans met at 9:10 o'clock a.m. this day, in Room 269, West Block, the Chairman, Joe McGuire, presiding.

Members of the Committee present: Yvan Bernier, Harold Culbert, Joe McGuire, Harry Verran and Derek Wells.

Acting Members present: Yves Rocheleau for René Canuel; George Baker for Ted McWhinney; Ron MacDonald for Jean Payne and Jim Gouk for Mike Scott,

Associate Member present: Elsie Wayne.

Other Member present: Mary Clancy.

In attendance: From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: Alan Nixon, Research Officer.

Witness: From the Department of Fisheries and Oceans: John F. Thomas, Senior Assistant Deputy Minister and Commissioner, Canadian Coast Guard.

In accordance with its mandate under Standing Order 108(2), the Committee proceeded to the consideration of the Marine Services Fee.

John F. Thomas made an opening statement and answered questions.

At 11:25 o'clock a.m., the Committee proceeded to an in camera meeting.

It was agreed,--That the Committee call on witnesses from all the regions of Canada on the Marine Services Fee.

At 11:35 o'clock a.m., the Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

TUESDAY, MARCH 26, 1996
(Meeting No. 3)

The Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans met at 9:03 o'clock a.m. this day, in Room 701, La Promenade, the Chairman, Joe McGuire, presiding.

Members of the Committee present: Yvan Bernier, Joe McGuire, Ted McWhinney, Jean Payne, Mike Scott and Derek Wells.

Acting Member present: Yves Rocheleau for René Canuel.

In attendance: From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: Alan Nixon, Research Officer.

Witnesses: From the Shipping Federation of Canada: Francis C. Nicol, President. From Point Tupper, Statia Terminal: Dick Gooley, Vice-President. From the Department of Fisheries and Oceans: Diane Cofsky, Team Leader Revenue Generation, Management Accounting Branch.

In accordance with its mandate under Standing Order 108(2), the Committee proceeded to the consideration of the Marine Services Fee (See Minutes of Proceedings dated Thursday, March 21, 1996, Issue No. 1.)

Francis C. Nicol made an opening statement and answered questions.

Dick Gooley made an opening statement and answered questions.

Diane Cofsky answered questions.

Yvan Bernier moved,--That the members of the Committee request from the Minister, in writing, that he postpone the implementation of his decision regarding marine services fees in order to take into account comments made by representatives from the marine sector before the Committee as well as any recommendation from the Committee on the issue.

After debate, Harold Culbert moved,--That the motion be amended by striking all the words after ``request'' and substituting the following:

``the Minister of Fisheries and Oceans confirm that in his decision regarding marine services fees he will take into account comments made by representatives from the marine sector making presentations to the Standing Committee. In addition, the Minister consider any recommendation on the issue, to be reported on or before April 19, 1996 by the Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans.''

After debate, the question being put on the amendment, it was agreed to, on division.

Accordingly, the main motion, as amended, was agreed to, on division.

At 11:45 o'clock a.m., the Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

WEDNESDAY, MARCH 27, 1996
(Meeting No. 4)

The Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans met at 3:30 o'clock p.m. this day, in Room 705, La Promenade, the Chairman, Joe McGuire, presiding.

Members of the Committee present: Yvan Bernier, Harold Culbert, Herb Dhaliwal, Joe McGuire, Ted McWhinney, Jean Payne, Mike Scott and Derek Wells.

Acting Members present: Yves Rocheleau for René Canuel; Reg Alcock for Harry Verran.

Other Members present: Jim Gouk, Joe Comuzzi.

In attendance: From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: Alan Nixon, Research Officer.

Witnesses: From the Chamber of Maritime Commerce: Doug Smith, President; Jean-Paul Sirois, Director of Commercial Development, Canada Steamship Lines. From the St. Lawrence Economic Development Council: Richard Gaudreau, Chairman of the Board. From the Canadian Shipowners Association: T. Norman Hall, President; Captain Rejean Lanteigne, Manager, Marine Operations.

In accordance with its mandate under Standing Order 108(2), the Committee resumed consideration of Marine Services Fee (See Minutes of Proceedings dated Thursday, March 21, 1996, Issue No. 1.)

Doug Smith and Jean-Paul Sirois made opening statements and answered questions.

Richard Gaudreau made an opening statement and answered questions.

At 5:32 o'clock p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 6:20 o'clock p.m., the sitting was resumed.

T. Norman Hall made an opening statement, and with the witness, answered questions.

Mike Scott moved,--That the Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans recommend to the Minister that a one-year moratorium be imposed on the Coast Guard Cost Recovery Plan. Furthermore, that the Coast Guard be instructed to:

1. Undertake, before the implementation of cost recovery fees, an independent and thorough socio/economic impact analysis including a thorough assessment of the cumulative effect of all fees on industry.

2. Assess the level of services that are required for the safe and efficient transit of ships and ensure that only those services will be paid for by the marine industry.

3. Find the least expensive way to deliver these services, including the option of privatization.

4. Develop with industry, a fair and equitable cost recovery formula with the opportunity for a formal right of appeal process.

And that these four points be completed during the moratorium and prior to any fees being imposed.

After debate, the motion was, by unanimous consent, withdrawn.

At 7:40 o'clock p.m., the Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

THURSDAY, MARCH 28, 1996
(Meeting No. 5)

The Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans met at 9:04 o'clock a.m. this day, in Room 701, La Promenade, the Chairman, Joe McGuire, presiding.

Members of the Committee present: Yvan Bernier, Harold Culbert, Herb Dhaliwal, Joe McGuire, Jean Payne, Mike Scott and Derek Wells.

Acting Member present: The Honourable Roger Simmons for Ted McWhinney.

Other Member present: Yves Rocheleau.

In attendance: From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: Alan Nixon, Research Officer.

Witnesses: From the Chamber of Shipping of British Columbia: Captain Ron Cartwright, President; Don Downing, President, Coal Association of Canada. From the Department of Fisheries and Oceans: Mike Turner, A/Assistant Deputy Minister, Marine Services, and A/Commissioner, Canadian Coast Guard; Jacques Robichaud, Director General, Resource Management Directorate; David Bevan, Director General, Conservation and Protection Directorate; Jean-Eudes Haché, Senior Advisor to the Assistant Deputy Minister, Fisheries Management.

The Committee resumed consideration of the Marine Services Fee (See Minutes of Proceedings dated Thursday, March 21, 1996, Issue No. 1.)

Captain Ron Cartwright and Don Downing made opening statements and answered questions.

At 10:05 o'clock a.m., the Committee proceeded to a briefing session on Atlantic issues excluding the Atlantic Groundfish Strategy (TAGS).

Mike Turner and David Bevan made opening statements and, with the other witnesses, answered questions.

At 12:15 o'clock p.m., the Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

TUESDAY, APRIL 16, 1996
(Meeting No. 6)

The Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans met at 9:10 o'clock a.m. this day, in Room 701, La Promenade, the Chairman, Joe McGuire, presiding.

Members of the Committee present: Yvan Bernier, Harold Culbert, Joe McGuire, Ted McWhinney, Mike Scott, Harry Verran and Derek Wells.

Associate Member present: Elsie Wayne.

Other Members present: Lawrence O'Brien and Jean Payne.

In attendance: From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: Alan Nixon, Research Officer.

Witnesses: From the Ministry of Transportation of Ontario: Robert Bergevin, Director, Transportation Policy Branch. From Iron Ore Company of Canada, from "Compagnie minière Québec Cartier", and from Wabush Mines: D.C. Rance, President & Chief Operating Officer, Iron Ore Company of Canada; Keith Eldridge, Vice-President, Administration & Quality, Iron Ore Company of Canada; Louis Provost, Treasurer, "Compagnie minière Québec Cartier"; Francis Sheehan, Comptroler, Wabush Mines. From Halifax Port Corporation: David Bellefontaine, President & Chief Executive Officer; Patricia McDermott, Vice-President, Marketing; R. Sherman, Director of Operations, Harbour Master. From Halifax Longshoremen's Association: David Nauss, President; George Briand, Vice-President. From Secunda Marine Services Ltd.: Donald A. MacLeod, Vice-President. From North Altantic Refining Limited: Glenn Mifflin, Vice-President. From the Canadian Fertilizer Institute: Roger Larson, Managing Director, Canadian Fertilizer Institute; Bud Foley, Vice-President, Planning & Distribution, Potash Company of Canada, St. John's; Brian Murphy, Transportation Manager, Potash Corporation of Saskatchewan Sales, St. John's and Vancouver. From the Saint John Port Corporation: Kenneth R. Krauter, General Manager and Chief Executive Officer. From the Department of Fisheries and Oceans: Diane Cofsky, Team Leader Revenue Generation, Management Accounting Branch.

In accordance with its mandate under Standing Order 108(2), the Committee resumed consideration of the study on Marine Services Fee (See Minutes of Proceedings dated Thursday, March 21, 1996, Issue No. 1.)

Robert Bergevin made an opening statement and answered questions.

D.C. Rance, Louis Provost, Francis Sheehan and David Bellefontaine made opening statements and, with the other witnesses, answered questions.

David Nauss, Donald A. MacLeod and Glenn Mifflin made opening statements and with the other witness, answered questions.

Roger Larson and Kenneth R. Krauter made opening statements and with the other witnesses, answered questions.

Diane Cofsky answered questions.

At 1:00 o'clock p.m., the Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

TUESDAY, APRIL 16, 1996
(Meeting No. 7)

The Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans met at 3:34 o'clock p.m. this day, in Room 701, La Promenade, the Chairman, Joe McGuire, presiding.

Members of the Committee present: Yvan Bernier, Gerry Byrne, Harold Culbert, Joe McGuire, Ted McWhinney, Mike Scott, Harry Verran and Derek Wells.

Other Members present: Yves Rocheleau and John Murphy.

In attendance: From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: Alan Nixon, Research Officer.

Witnesses: From the Aluminium Industry Association, Alcan, and "Aluminerie Alouette Inc.": Christian L. Van Houtte, President, Aluminium Industry Association; Andrew de Schulthess, Director, Government Relations, Alcan; Gilles Blouin, Vice-President, "Aluminerie Alouette Inc.". From the Quebec Forest Industries Association: Pierre Vézina, Director, Energy, Quebec Forest Industries Association; Paul Lord, Director, Transportation & Distribution, Donohue Inc. From the St.Lawrence Shipoperators Association: Benoît Massicotte, Director General. From the Lakehead Terminal Elevators Association: Ed H. Guest, Executive Director. From the Nova Scotia Gypsum Group: Terry H. Davis, President, Fundy Gypsum Company; Jim M. Graham, Plant Manager, Gypsum Division, Georgia-Pacific Corporation; Bruce H. Allen, Plant Manager, Little Narrows Gypsum Company; Pat C. Mills, Plant Manager, National Gypsum (Canada) Ltd. From Redpath Sugars: W. Donald Gordon, Vice-President, Raw Sugar Operations; Keith Fowler, Commodity Trader, Purchasing Manager. From Southwestern Sales Corporation Limited: George Frye. From Louis Dreyfuss Corporation: Jim Campbell, Spokesperson. From the "Association inter-industrielle de la Côte-Nord": Gilles Blouin, Member of the Executive; Pierre Caron, Secretary; Keith Eldridge, Vice-President, Administration & Quality, Iron Ore Comany of Canada; Christian Ouellet, Managing Director, "Les Silos Port-Cartier". From Oceanex: Gilles Champagne, President and Chief Executive Officer. From the Council of Marine Carriers: Captain Russel V. Cooper, President; Captain Peter Woodward, Vice-President. From the Department of Fisheries and Oceans: Diane Cofsky, Team Leader, Revenue Generation, Management Accounting Branch.

Christian L. Van Houtte, Pierre Vézina and Benoît Massicotte made opening statements and, with the other witnesses, answered questions.

Ed H. Guest made an opening statement and answered questions.

Pat C. Mills, Terry H. Davis, Bruce H. Allen, W. Donald Gordon, George Frye and Jim Campbell made opening statements and, with the other witnesses, answered questions.

Diane Cofsky answered questions.

At 6:00 o'clock p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 7:05 o'clock p.m., the sitting was resumed.

Pierre Caron, Gilles Champagne and Russell V. Cooper made opening statements and, with the other witnesses, answered questions.

Diane Cofsky answered questions.

At 8:25 o'clock p.m., the Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

WEDNESDAY, APRIL 17, 1996
(Meeting No. 8)

The Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans met at 3:40 o'clock p.m. this day, in Room 371, West Block, the Chairman, Joe McGuire, presiding.

Members of the Committee present: Yvan Bernier, Harold Culbert, Lawrence O'Brien, Joe McGuire, Ted McWhinney, Mike Scott, Harry Verran and Derek Wells.

Other Members present: Joe Comuzzi, Stan Dromisky and Benoît Tremblay.

In attendance: From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: Alan Nixon, Research Officer.

Witnesses: From Georgia Pacific, and Martin Marietta Materials: Jim Graham, Manager, Georgia Pacific; Michael Power, General Manager, Martin Marietta Materials; Mark MacDonald, Attorney. From Strait-Highlands Regional Development Agency: Phil MacDonald, Executive Director; Blaine Gillis, Port Development Officer. From Stora Forest Industries: Rick Ceccetto, Manager, Internal Sales/Distribution & Accounting; Bill MacInnis, Internal Sales, Distribution Superintendent. From N.M. Paterson & Sons Limited: Donald C. Paterson, Vice-Chairman; Alexander M.S. Paterson, Director, Finance & Administration. From the Upper Lakes Group Inc.: Marcel J. Rivard, President and Chief Executive Officer, Upper Lakes Group Inc., Toronto; Captain John E. Greenway, General Manager, Operations, ULS Corporation, St. Catharines. From the Canadian Manufacturers' Association: Ted Zier-Vogel, Chairman, Transportation Committee; Brian W. Collinson, Director of Transportation. From the City of Montreal: Pierre-Yves Melançon, Executive Committee Member; Stéphane Brice, Economic adviser. From Saint John Gateway Council: Joseph Day, Coast Guard Recovery Task Force; Don Roberts, Potash Company of Saskatechewan; Blaine Higgs, Irving Oil Corporation.

Phil MacDonald and Blaine Gillis made opening statements and answered questions.

Mark MacDonald and Jim Graham made opening statements and, with the other witness, answered questions.

Rick Ceccetto made an opening statement and, with the other witness, answered questions.

Donald C. Paterson and Alexander M.S. Paterson made opening statements and answered questions.

Marcel J. Rivard made an opening statement and, with the witness, answered questions.

At 5:45 o'clock p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 7:10 o'clock p.m., the sitting was resumed.

Joseph Day made an opening statement and, with the witnesses, answered questions.

Brian W. Collinson made an opening statement and, with the witness, answered questions.

Pierre-Yves Melançon made an opening statement and, with the witness, answered questions.

At 8:55 o'clock p.m., the Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

THURSDAY, APRIL 18, 1996
(Meeting No. 9)

The Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans met at 9:10 o'clock a.m. this day, in Room 705, La Promenade, the Chairman, Joe McGuire, presiding.

Members of the Committee present: Yvan Bernier, Gerry Byrne, Harold Culbert, Joe McGuire, Ted McWhinney, Mike Scott, Harry Verran and Derek Wells.

Acting Member present: Guy Arseneault for Lawrence O'Brien,

Other Members present: Stan Dromisky, Bonnie Brown and Walt Lastewka.

In attendance: From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: Alan Nixon, Research Officer.

Witnesses: From Bay/Chaleur Marine Task Force: Richard Leduc, Chairman, and General Manager, Chaleur Regional Development Commission; William MacAvoy, Member, and Purchasing Research Analyst, Noranda Mining & Exploration Inc.; Brian P. McGurk, Corporate Manager, Transportation, Avenor Inc.; Wallace Coulombe, Mayor of the Town of Dalhousie, New Brunswick; Guy Desgagnés, Director General, Port of Belledune. From the Thunder Bay Harbour Commission, and from the Seaway Bulk Carriers of Winnipeg: S. Paul Kennedy, Director of Marketing and Communications, Thunder Bay Harbour Commission; R. Bruce Hayles, Vice-President, Seaway Bulk Carriers, Winnipeg; Paul Earl, Project Manager, Seaway Competitiveness Study, Seaway Bulk Carriers, Winnipeg; From Noranda Metallurgy Inc.: Ted Zier-Vogel, Vice-President, Transportation, Noranda Metallurgy Inc.; William A. MacAvoy, Purchasing Research Co-Ordinator, New Brunswick Division, Noranda Mining and Metallurgy Inc. From Halifax-Dartmouth Port Development Commission: Thomas Hayes, Vice-Chairman; Wade Elliott, Executive Director. From Halifax Shipping Association: Fritz King, Chairperson. From Stelco Inc., and from Dofasco Inc.: B. W. Warry, Vice-President, Purchasing, Raw Materials and Transportation, Stelco Inc.; David F. Mothersill, Manager, Raw Materials. Dofasco Inc.

Brian P. McGurk made an opening statement and, with the witnesses, answered questions.

S. Paul Kennedy, Paul Earl and Bruce Hayles and Wade Elliott made opening statements and answered questions.

Ted Zier-Vogel, Fritz King, Thomas Hayes and Wade Elliott made opening statements and answered questions.

B.W. Barry and David F. Mothersill made opening statements and answered questions.

At 12.:50 o'clock p.m., the Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

THURSDAY, APRIL 18, 1996
(Meeting No. 10)

The Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans met at 3:35 o'clock p.m. this day, in Room 701, La Promenade, the Chairman, Joe McGuire, presiding.

Members of the Committee present: Yvan Bernier, Gerry Byrne, Harold Culbert, Joe McGuire, Ted McWhinney and Mike Scott.

Acting Members present: Walt Lastewka for Lawrence O'Brien; Paul Steckle for Derek Wells.

Other Member present: Brent St. Denis.

In attendance: From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: Alan Nixon, Research Officer.

Witnesses: From Seaway Self Unloaders: Wayne A. Smith, Vice-President and General Manager. From Sifto Canada Inc.: Al Hamilton, Chemical Business Manager. From Algoma Steel Inc.: M. T. Jennings, Division Manager - Raw Materials, Purchasing and Material Handling. From the Department of Fisheries and Oceans: John F. Thomas, Senior Assistant Deputy Minister and Commissioner, Canadian Coast Guard.

Wayne A. Smith, Al Hamilton and M. T. Jennings made opening statements and answered questions.

John F. Thomas made an opening statement and answered questions.

Mike Scott moved,--That the Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans recommend to the Minister that a 1 year moratorium be imposed on the Coast Guard Cost Recovery Plan. Furthermore, that the Coast Guard be instructed to:

1. Undertake, before the implementation of cost recovery fees, and thorough socio/economic impact analysis including a thorough assessment of the cumulative effect of all fees on industry;

2. Assess the level of services that are required for the safe and efficent transit of ships and ensure thant only those services will be paid for by the marine industry.

3. Find the least expensive way to deliver these services, including the option of privatization;

4. Develop with industry, a fair and equitable cost recovery formula with the opportunity for a formal right of appeal process.

And that these four points be completed during the moratorium and prior to any fees being imposed.

After debate, the motion was allowed to stand.

At 7:30 o'clock p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 8:05 o'clock p.m., the sitting was resumed in camera.

The Committee proceeded to the consideration of a draft report.

At 9:35 o'clock p.m., the Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

FRIDAY, APRIL 19, 1996
(Meeting No. 11)
The Evidence for this meeting is not available because it was held in camera.

The Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans met in camera at 12:35 o'clock p.m. this day, in Room 306, West Block, the Chairman, Joe McGuire, presiding.

Members of the Committee present: Yvan Bernier, Gerry Byrne, Harold Culbert, Joe McGuire, Ted McWhinney and Mike Scott.

Acting Member present: Walt Lastewka for Derek Wells.

In attendance: From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: Alan Nixon, Research Officer.

The Committee resumed consideration of the draft report.

Debate resumed on the motion of Mike Scott which reads as follows:

Mike Scott moved,--That the Standing Committee on Fisheries and Oceans recommend to the Minister that a one year moratorium be imposed on the Coast Guard Cost Recovery Plan. Furthermore, that the Coast Guard be instructed to:

1. Undertake, before the implementation of cost recovery fees, and thorough socio/economic impact analysis including a thorough assessment of the cumulative effect of all fees on industry;

2. Assess the level of services that are required for the safe and efficent transit of ships and ensure that only those services will be paid for by the marine industry.

3. Find the least expensive way to deliver these services, including the option of privatization;

4. Develop with industry, a fair and equitable cost recovery formula with the opportunity for a formal right of appeal process.

And that these four points be completed during the moratorium and prior to any fees being imposed.

After debate, the motion was, by unanimous consent, withdrawn.

It was moved,--That the draft report, as amended, be adopted.

After debate, the question being put on the motion, it was agreed to, on division.

It was agreed,--That the Committee append the dissenting opinions of both opposition parties to its report.

At 2:17 p.m. o'clock, the Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

Eugene Morawski

Clerk of the Committee