Gen Jonathan H. Vance and Barbara Fleury made statements and, with LGen Christine Whitecross, answered questions.

At 4:44 p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 4:49 p.m., the sitting resumed.

Nahla Valji and Randi Davis, by videoconference from New York, New York, made statements and answered questions.

Hélène Laverdière moved, — That, pursuant to Standing Orders 108(1) and 108(2), a Subcommittee on Arms Control to be chaired by a member elected by the Subcommittee, be established to inquire into matters relating to Canadian arms exports and arms export permits;

That the Subcommittee be composed of seven (7) members or associate members of which four (4) shall be government members, two (2) shall be Conservative Party members, and one (1) from the New Democratic Party, to be named following the usual consultations with the Whips;

That the Subcommittee be empowered to send for persons, papers and records, to receive evidence, to sit during a time when the Committee is not sitting in Ottawa, to sit when the Committee is sitting outside the Parliamentary Precinct and to sit during periods when the House stands adjourned; and

That the Chair of the Subcommittee meet with the Subcommittee on Agenda and Procedure of the Committee at their mutual discretion.

After debate, the question was put on the motion and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Tony Clement, Garnett Genuis, Peter Kent, Hélène Laverdière — 4;

NAYS: Peter Fragiskatos, Michael Levitt, Marc Miller, Raj Saini, Jati Sidhu — 5.