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HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
37th PARLIAMENT, 1st SESSION


JOURNALS

No. 164

Tuesday, April 9, 2002

10:00 a.m.



Prayers

Daily Routine Of Business

Tabling of Documents

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Regan (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, — Orders in Council concerning certain appointments made by the Governor General in Council, pursuant to Standing Order 110(1), as follows:

— P.C. 2002-314, P.C. 2002-318, P.C. 2002-319 and P.C. 2002-320. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-371-1-14. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Aboriginal Affairs, Northern Development and Natural Resources)

— P.C. 2002-313. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-371-3-20. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage)

— P.C. 2002-303, P.C. 2002-304, P.C. 2002-305, P.C. 2002-306, P.C. 2002-307, P.C. 2002-308, P.C. 2002-309 and P.C. 2002-310. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-371-14-21. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration)

— P.C. 2002-317. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-371-18-13. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Health)

— P.C. 2002-326 and P.C. 2002-327. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-371-16-22. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Human Resources Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities)

— P.C. 2002-322, P.C. 2002-323, P.C. 2002-324 and P.C. 2002-325. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-371-22-14. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Industry, Science and Technology)

— P.C. 2002-315 and P.C. 2002-316. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-371-13-16. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights)

— P.C. 2002-312. — Sessional Paper No. 8540-371-24-22. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Transport and Government Operations)

Statements by Ministers

Pursuant to Standing Order 33(1), Mr. Pagtakhan (Minister of Veterans Affairs) made a statement.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, a petition certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions was presented as follows:

— by Mr. Adams (Peterborough) , concerning cruelty to animals (No. 371-0625).

Government Orders

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Ms. Caplan (Minister of National Revenue) , seconded by Mr. Drouin (Secretary of State (Economic Development Agency of Canada for the Regions of Quebec)) , — That Bill C-47, An Act respecting the taxation of spirits, wine and tobacco and the treatment of ships' stores, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Finance.

The debate continued.

Interruption

At 11:30 a.m., pursuant to Order made Monday, April 8, 2002, the sitting was suspended.

At 2:00 p.m., pursuant to Order made Monday, April 8, 2002, the sitting resumed.

Statements By Members

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

Oral Questions

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

Government Orders

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Ms. Caplan (Minister of National Revenue) , seconded by Mr. Drouin (Secretary of State (Economic Development Agency of Canada for the Regions of Quebec)) , — That Bill C-47, An Act respecting the taxation of spirits, wine and tobacco and the treatment of ships' stores, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Finance.

The debate continued.

Motions

By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That today's emergency debate continue until no member rises to speak, provided that, after 10:00 p.m., the Chair shall receive no quorum calls, dilatory motions or requests for unanimous consent to propose any motion.

Government Orders

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Ms. Caplan (Minister of National Revenue) , seconded by Mr. Drouin (Secretary of State (Economic Development Agency of Canada for the Regions of Quebec)) , — That Bill C-47, An Act respecting the taxation of spirits, wine and tobacco and the treatment of ships' stores, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Finance.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on division.

Accordingly, the Bill was read the second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Finance.


The House resumed consideration of the motion of Ms. McLellan (Minister of Health) , seconded by Mr. Pettigrew (Minister for International Trade) , — That Bill C-53, An Act to protect human health and safety and the environment by regulating products used for the control of pests, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Health.

The debate continued.


At 5:56 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 45, the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded divisions at report stage of Bill C-15B, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (cruelty to animals and firearms) and the Firearms Act, as reported by the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights with amendments.

Group No. 1

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 5 of Mr. Hilstrom (Selkirk--Interlake) , seconded by Mr. Martin (Esquimalt--Juan de Fuca) , — That Bill C-15B, in Clause 8, be amended by replacing line 7 on page 3 with the following:

    “who, wilfully or recklessly, and in contravention of generally accepted industry standards,”.

The question was put on Motion No. 5 and it was negatived on the following division:

+

(Division No. 266 -- Vote no 266)

YEAS: 89, NAYS: 143

YEAS -- POUR
Abbott
Anders
Anderson (Cypress Hills--Grasslands)
Bachand (Richmond--Arthabaska)
Bachand (Saint-Jean)
Bailey
Bellehumeur
Benoit
Bergeron
Borotsik
Breitkreuz
Brien
Brison
Burton
Cadman
Cardin
Casey
Casson
Chatters
Clark
Cummins
Dalphond-Guiral
Desrochers
Doyle
Dubé
Duceppe
Duncan
Elley
Epp
Fitzpatrick
Forseth
Fournier
Gagnon (Québec)
Gallant
Gauthier
Girard-Bujold
Gouk
Grewal
Guay
Guimond
Hearn
Hill (Macleod)
Hilstrom
Hinton
Jaffer
Johnston
Keddy (South Shore)
Kenney (Calgary Southeast)
Laframboise
Lalonde
Lanctôt
Lebel
Lunney (Nanaimo--Alberni)
MacKay (Pictou--Antigonish--Guysborough)
Marceau
Martin (Esquimalt--Juan de Fuca)
Mayfield
Ménard
Merrifield
Mills (Red Deer)
Pallister
Paquette
Penson
Perron
Picard (Drummond)
Plamondon
Rajotte
Reid (Lanark--Carleton)
Reynolds
Ritz
Rocheleau
Roy
Sauvageau
Schmidt
Skelton
Solberg
Sorenson
Spencer
St-Hilaire
Stinson
Thompson (New Brunswick Southwest)
Thompson (Wild Rose)
Toews
Vellacott
Wayne
White (Langley--Abbotsford)
White (North Vancouver)
Williams
Yelich -- 89
NAYS -- CONTRE
Adams
Alcock
Allard
Anderson (Victoria)
Assad
Assadourian
Bagnell
Barnes
Beaumier
Bennett
Bertrand
Bevilacqua
Binet
Blaikie
Blondin-Andrew
Bonin
Boudria
Brown
Bryden
Bulte
Byrne
Caccia
Calder
Cannis
Caplan
Carroll
Castonguay
Catterall
Cauchon
Chamberlain
Charbonneau
Coderre
Collenette
Comartin
Copps
Cotler
Cullen
Cuzner
Davies
Desjarlais
DeVillers
Dhaliwal
Dion
Dromisky
Drouin
Duplain
Easter
Eggleton
Eyking
Farrah
Finlay
Folco
Fontana
Fry
Gallaway
Godfrey
Godin
Goodale
Graham
Grose
Guarnieri
Harb
Harvard
Harvey
Hubbard
Ianno
Jennings
Jordan
Karetak-Lindell
Keyes
Kilgour (Edmonton Southeast)
Knutson
Kraft Sloan
Lastewka
LeBlanc
Lee
Leung
Lill
Lincoln
Longfield
MacAulay
Macklin
Mahoney
Malhi
Manley
Marcil
Marleau
Martin (Winnipeg Centre)
Martin (LaSalle--Émard)
McCallum
McCormick
McDonough
McGuire
McKay (Scarborough East)
McLellan
McTeague
Minna
Mitchell
Murphy
Nault
Neville
Nystrom
O'Brien (London--Fanshawe)
O'Reilly
Pagtakhan
Patry
Peric
Peschisolido
Peterson
Pettigrew
Pickard (Chatham--Kent Essex)
Pratt
Price
Proulx
Redman
Regan
Richardson
Robillard
Robinson
Saada
Savoy
Scherrer
Scott
Shepherd
St-Jacques
St-Julien
St. Denis
Stoffer
Szabo
Telegdi
Thibault (West Nova)
Thibeault (Saint-Lambert)
Tirabassi
Tonks
Torsney
Ur
Valeri
Volpe
Wappel
Wasylycia-Leis
Whelan
Wilfert
Wood -- 143
PAIRED -- PAIRÉS
Asselin
Bellemare
Bradshaw
Crête
Gagnon (Champlain)
Jackson
Loubier
Maloney
Myers
Owen
Rock
Tremblay (Lac-Saint-Jean--Saguenay)
Tremblay (Rimouski-Neigette-et-la Mitis)
Venne

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 7 of Mr. Laframboise (Argenteuil--Papineau--Mirabel) , seconded by Mr. Bergeron (Verchères--Les-Patriotes) , — That Bill C-15B, in Clause 8, be amended by adding after line 16 on page 6 the following:

    “182.7 (1) In this section, “service animal” means a dog or any other animal used by a person with a disability.

    (2) Every one commits an offence who

    (a) assaults, injures or causes the death of a service animal; or

    (b) assaults, injures, causes the death of or poisons, or in any way attempts to poison, a service animal while it is kenneled, penned, transported or otherwise held.

    (3) Every one who commits an offence under paragraph (2)(a) or (b) is guilty of

    (a) an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term of not more than five years; or

    (b) an offence punishable on summary conviction and liable to a fine not exceeding ten thousand dollars or emprisonment for a term of not more than eighteen months or both.

    (4) The court, in addition to any sentence that it may impose under subsection (3), must order the offender to pay all restitution costs, including training costs, resulting from the service animal's being killed or otherwise rendered unable to perform its duties.” .

The question was put on Motion No. 7 and it was negatived on the following division:

+-

(Division No. 267 -- Vote no 267)

YEAS: 89, NAYS: 143
(See list under Division No. 266)

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 8 of Mr. Laframboise (Argenteuil--Papineau--Mirabel) , seconded by Mr. Bergeron (Verchères--Les-Patriotes) , — That Bill C-15B, in Clause 8, be amended by adding after line 16 on page 6 the following:

    “182.8 The court may order the production of any additional evidence or the issuance of a summons to any persons, including experts, whose testimony the court considers appropriate or necessary to confirm evidence relating to any section in this Part.”.

The question was put on Motion No. 8 and it was negatived on the following division:

+-

(Division No. 268 -- Vote no 268)

YEAS: 89, NAYS: 143
(See list under Division No. 266)

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on Motion No. 9 of Mr. Hill (Prince George--Peace River) , seconded by Mr. Mark (Dauphin--Swan River) , — That Bill C-15B be amended by deleting Clause 9.

The question was put on Motion No. 9 and it was negatived on the following division:

+-

(Division No. 269 -- Vote no 269)

YEAS: 60, NAYS: 172

YEAS -- POUR
Abbott
Anders
Anderson (Cypress Hills--Grasslands)
Bachand (Richmond--Arthabaska)
Bailey
Benoit
Borotsik
Breitkreuz
Brison
Burton
Cadman
Casey
Casson
Chatters
Clark
Cummins
Doyle
Duncan
Elley
Epp
Fitzpatrick
Forseth
Gallant
Gouk
Grewal
Hearn
Hill (Macleod)
Hilstrom
Hinton
Jaffer
Johnston
Keddy (South Shore)
Kenney (Calgary Southeast)
Lunney (Nanaimo--Alberni)
MacKay (Pictou--Antigonish--Guysborough)
Martin (Esquimalt--Juan de Fuca)
Mayfield
Merrifield
Mills (Red Deer)
Pallister
Penson
Rajotte
Reid (Lanark--Carleton)
Reynolds
Ritz
Schmidt
Skelton
Solberg
Sorenson
Spencer
Stinson
Thompson (New Brunswick Southwest)
Thompson (Wild Rose)
Toews
Vellacott
Wayne
White (Langley--Abbotsford)
White (North Vancouver)
Williams
Yelich -- 60
NAYS -- CONTRE
Adams
Alcock
Allard
Anderson (Victoria)
Assad
Assadourian
Bachand (Saint-Jean)
Bagnell
Barnes
Beaumier
Bellehumeur
Bennett
Bergeron
Bertrand
Bevilacqua
Binet
Blaikie
Blondin-Andrew
Bonin
Boudria
Brien
Brown
Bryden
Bulte
Byrne
Caccia
Calder
Cannis
Caplan
Cardin
Carroll
Castonguay
Catterall
Cauchon
Chamberlain
Charbonneau
Coderre
Collenette
Comartin
Copps
Cotler
Cullen
Cuzner
Dalphond-Guiral
Davies
Desjarlais
Desrochers
DeVillers
Dhaliwal
Dion
Dromisky
Drouin
Dubé
Duceppe
Duplain
Easter
Eggleton
Eyking
Farrah
Finlay
Folco
Fontana
Fournier
Fry
Gagnon (Québec)
Gallaway
Gauthier
Girard-Bujold
Godfrey
Godin
Goodale
Graham
Grose
Guarnieri
Guay
Guimond
Harb
Harvard
Harvey
Hubbard
Ianno
Jennings
Jordan
Karetak-Lindell
Keyes
Kilgour (Edmonton Southeast)
Knutson
Kraft Sloan
Laframboise
Lalonde
Lanctôt
Lastewka
Lebel
LeBlanc
Lee
Leung
Lill
Lincoln
Longfield
MacAulay
Macklin
Mahoney
Malhi
Manley
Marceau
Marcil
Marleau
Martin (Winnipeg Centre)
Martin (LaSalle--Émard)
McCallum
McCormick
McDonough
McGuire
McKay (Scarborough East)
McLellan
McTeague
Ménard
Minna
Mitchell
Murphy
Nault
Neville
Nystrom
O'Brien (London--Fanshawe)
O'Reilly
Pagtakhan
Paquette
Patry
Peric
Perron
Peschisolido
Peterson
Pettigrew
Picard (Drummond)
Pickard (Chatham--Kent Essex)
Plamondon
Pratt
Price
Proulx
Redman
Regan
Richardson
Robillard
Robinson
Rocheleau
Roy
Saada
Sauvageau
Savoy
Scherrer
Scott
Shepherd
St-Hilaire
St-Jacques
St-Julien
St. Denis
Stoffer
Szabo
Telegdi
Thibault (West Nova)
Thibeault (Saint-Lambert)
Tirabassi
Tonks
Torsney
Ur
Valeri
Volpe
Wappel
Wasylycia-Leis
Whelan
Wilfert
Wood -- 172
PAIRED -- PAIRÉS
Asselin
Bellemare
Bradshaw
Crête
Gagnon (Champlain)
Jackson
Loubier
Maloney
Myers
Owen
Rock
Tremblay (Lac-Saint-Jean--Saguenay)
Tremblay (Rimouski-Neigette-et-la Mitis)
Venne

Mr. Cauchon (Minister of Justice) , seconded by Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance) , moved, — That Bill C-15B, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (cruelty to animals and firearms) and the Firearms Act, as amended, be concurred in at report stage with a further amendment.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:

-

(Division No. 270 -- Vote no 270)

YEAS: 142, NAYS: 90

YEAS -- POUR
Adams
Alcock
Allard
Anderson (Victoria)
Assad
Assadourian
Bagnell
Barnes
Beaumier
Bennett
Bertrand
Bevilacqua
Binet
Blaikie
Blondin-Andrew
Bonin
Boudria
Brown
Bryden
Bulte
Byrne
Caccia
Calder
Cannis
Caplan
Carroll
Castonguay
Catterall
Cauchon
Chamberlain
Charbonneau
Coderre
Collenette
Comartin
Copps
Cotler
Cullen
Cuzner
Davies
Desjarlais
DeVillers
Dhaliwal
Dion
Dromisky
Drouin
Duplain
Easter
Eggleton
Eyking
Farrah
Finlay
Folco
Fontana
Fry
Gallaway
Godfrey
Godin
Goodale
Graham
Grose
Guarnieri
Harb
Harvard
Harvey
Hubbard
Ianno
Jennings
Jordan
Karetak-Lindell
Keyes
Kilgour (Edmonton Southeast)
Knutson
Kraft Sloan
Lastewka
LeBlanc
Lee
Leung
Lill
Lincoln
Longfield
MacAulay
Macklin
Mahoney
Malhi
Manley
Marcil
Marleau
Martin (Winnipeg Centre)
Martin (LaSalle--Émard)
McCallum
McCormick
McDonough
McGuire
McKay (Scarborough East)
McLellan
McTeague
Minna
Mitchell
Murphy
Nault
Neville
Nystrom
O'Brien (London--Fanshawe)
O'Reilly
Pagtakhan
Patry
Peric
Peschisolido
Peterson
Pettigrew
Pickard (Chatham--Kent Essex)
Pratt
Price
Proulx
Redman
Regan
Richardson
Robillard
Robinson
Saada
Savoy
Scherrer
Scott
Shepherd
St-Jacques
St-Julien
St. Denis
Stoffer
Szabo
Telegdi
Thibault (West Nova)
Thibeault (Saint-Lambert)
Tirabassi
Tonks
Torsney
Valeri
Volpe
Wappel
Wasylycia-Leis
Whelan
Wilfert
Wood -- 142
NAYS -- CONTRE
Abbott
Anders
Anderson (Cypress Hills--Grasslands)
Bachand (Richmond--Arthabaska)
Bachand (Saint-Jean)
Bailey
Bellehumeur
Benoit
Bergeron
Borotsik
Breitkreuz
Brien
Brison
Burton
Cadman
Cardin
Casey
Casson
Chatters
Clark
Cummins
Dalphond-Guiral
Desrochers
Doyle
Dubé
Duceppe
Duncan
Elley
Epp
Fitzpatrick
Forseth
Fournier
Gagnon (Québec)
Gallant
Gauthier
Girard-Bujold
Gouk
Grewal
Guay
Guimond
Hearn
Hill (Macleod)
Hilstrom
Hinton
Jaffer
Johnston
Keddy (South Shore)
Kenney (Calgary Southeast)
Laframboise
Lalonde
Lanctôt
Lebel
Lunney (Nanaimo--Alberni)
MacKay (Pictou--Antigonish--Guysborough)
Marceau
Martin (Esquimalt--Juan de Fuca)
Mayfield
Ménard
Merrifield
Mills (Red Deer)
Pallister
Paquette
Penson
Perron
Picard (Drummond)
Plamondon
Rajotte
Reid (Lanark--Carleton)
Reynolds
Ritz
Rocheleau
Roy
Sauvageau
Schmidt
Skelton
Solberg
Sorenson
Spencer
St-Hilaire
Steckle
Stinson
Thompson (New Brunswick Southwest)
Thompson (Wild Rose)
Toews
Vellacott
Wayne
White (Langley--Abbotsford)
White (North Vancouver)
Williams
Yelich -- 90
PAIRED -- PAIRÉS
Asselin
Bellemare
Bradshaw
Crête
Gagnon (Champlain)
Jackson
Loubier
Maloney
Myers
Owen
Rock
Tremblay (Lac-Saint-Jean--Saguenay)
Tremblay (Rimouski-Neigette-et-la Mitis)
Venne

Accordingly, the Bill, as amended, was concurred in at report stage with a further amendment.

Private Members' Business

At 6:34 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(7), the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members' Business.

The Order was read for the second reading and reference to the Standing Committee on Industry, Science and Technology of Bill C-312, An Act to amend the Statistics Act and the National Archives of Canada Act (census records).

Mr. Calder (Dufferin--Peel--Wellington--Grey) , seconded by Mr. Bryden (Ancaster--Dundas--Flamborough--Aldershot) , moved, — That the Bill be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Industry, Science and Technology.

Debate arose thereon.

Pursuant to Standing Order 96(1), the Order was dropped from the Order Paper.

Emergency Debate

At 7:28 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 52(10), the House proceeded to the consideration of a motion to adjourn the House for the purpose of discussing an important matter requiring urgent consideration, namely, the situation in the Middle East.

Ms. Lalonde (Mercier) , seconded by Mr. Bergeron (Verchères--Les-Patriotes) , moved, — That this House do now adjourn.

Debate arose thereon.

Midnight

At 2:44 a.m., pursuant to Order made Tuesday, April 9, 2002, the Speaker declared the motion adopted.

Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), a paper deposited with the Clerk of the House was laid upon the Table as follows:

— by Mr. Manley (Minister of Infrastructure and Crown Corporations) — Summaries of the Corporate Plan for 2001-02 to 2005-06 and of the amended Operating Budget for 2001-02 of the Canada Lands Company Limited, pursuant to the Financial Administration Act, R.S. 1985, c. F-11, sbs. 125(4). — Sessional Paper No. 8562-371-840-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Transport and Government Operations)

Adjournment

At 2:44 a.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until later today at 2:00 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).