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HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
37th PARLIAMENT, 1st SESSION


JOURNALS

No. 138

Monday, February 4, 2002

11:00 a.m.



Prayers

Privilege

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Pallister (Portage--Lisgar) , seconded by Mr. Reynolds (West Vancouver--Sunshine Coast) , — That the charge against the Minister of National Defence of making misleading statements in the House be referred to the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs.

The debate continued.

Mr. Keddy (South Shore) , seconded by Mr. MacKay (Pictou--Antigonish--Guysborough) , moved the following amendment, — That the motion be amended by striking out the words “the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs” and substituting the following:

    “a Special Committee of the House, the membership of which will be on the same party ratio as the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs and be elected in each caucus by a secret ballot to be conducted under the direction of the Speaker in a process similar to that used by the House to elect the Speaker.”.

Debate arose thereon.

Mr. DeVillers (Secretary of State (Amateur Sport)) , seconded by Mr. Shepherd (Parliamentary Secretary to the President of the Treasury Board) , moved, — That the debate be now adjourned.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:

+

(Division No. 220 -- Vote No 220)

YEAS: 120, NAYS: 54

YEAS -- POUR
Adams
Alcock
Allard
Anderson (Victoria)
Assad
Assadourian
Augustine
Bagnell
Bélanger
Bellemare
Bennett
Bertrand
Bevilacqua
Binet
Blondin-Andrew
Boudria
Bradshaw
Bryden
Bulte
Byrne
Caccia
Cannis
Caplan
Carroll
Castonguay
Catterall
Cauchon
Charbonneau
Coderre
Collenette
Cotler
Cullen
Cuzner
DeVillers
Dhaliwal
Dion
Drouin
Duplain
Easter
Eggleton
Finlay
Fry
Gallaway
Goodale
Graham
Guarnieri
Harb
Harvard
Harvey
Hubbard
Jackson
Jennings
Jordan
Karetak-Lindell
Keyes
Kilgour (Edmonton Southeast)
Knutson
Laliberte
Lastewka
LeBlanc
Lee
Leung
Lincoln
Longfield
MacAulay
Macklin
Mahoney
Maloney
Manley
Marcil
Marleau
Martin (LaSalle--Émard)
Matthews
McCallum
McCormick
McGuire
McLellan
Mitchell
Murphy
Myers
Nault
Neville
O'Reilly
Owen
Pagtakhan
Paradis
Patry
Peric
Peschisolido
Pettigrew
Phinney
Pickard (Chatham--Kent Essex)
Pratt
Price
Proulx
Provenzano
Redman
Regan
Richardson
Robillard
Saada
Scherrer
Scott
Serré
Sgro
Shepherd
St-Jacques
St-Julien
St. Denis
Stewart
Szabo
Telegdi
Thibault (West Nova)
Thibeault (Saint-Lambert)
Tonks
Valeri
Vanclief
Whelan
Wilfert
Wood -- 120
NAYS -- CONTRE
Bachand (Saint-Jean)
Bailey
Bellehumeur
Benoit
Blaikie
Borotsik
Bourgeois
Breitkreuz
Brien
Brison
Cadman
Clark
Crête
Desjarlais
Doyle
Epp
Forseth
Fournier
Gauthier
Godin
Hanger
Hearn
Herron
Hill (Prince George--Peace River)
Hilstrom
Hinton
Johnston
Keddy (South Shore)
Laframboise
Lanctôt
Lebel
Lunn (Saanich--Gulf Islands)
Lunney (Nanaimo--Alberni)
MacKay (Pictou--Antigonish--Guysborough)
Martin (Winnipeg Centre)
Ménard
Meredith
Merrifield
Mills (Red Deer)
Nystrom
Pallister
Penson
Rajotte
Reynolds
Ritz
Sauvageau
Schmidt
Skelton
Sorenson
Spencer
Stoffer
Toews
Tremblay (Rimouski-Neigette-et-la Mitis)
White (Langley--Abbotsford) -- 54

Government Orders

Notice having been given at a previous sitting under the provisions of Standing Order 78(3), Mr. Goodale (Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) , seconded by Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance) , moved, — That, in relation to Bill C-7, An Act in respect of criminal justice for young persons and to amend and repeal other Acts, not more than one further sitting day shall be allotted to the stage of consideration of the Senate amendment to the Bill; and

That, fifteen minutes before the expiry of the time provided for Government Orders on the day allotted to the consideration of the said stage of the said Bill, any proceedings before the House shall be interrupted, if required for the purpose of this Order, and, in turn, every question necessary for the disposal of the said stage of the Bill shall be put forthwith and successively, without further debate or amendment.

Pursuant to Standing Order 67.1, the House proceeded to the question period regarding the moving of the time allocation motion.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:

+-

(Division No. 221 -- Vote No 221)

YEAS: 103, NAYS: 53

YEAS -- POUR
Adams
Allard
Anderson (Victoria)
Assadourian
Augustine
Bagnell
Bellemare
Bertrand
Binet
Blondin-Andrew
Bradshaw
Bryden
Bulte
Byrne
Caccia
Cannis
Caplan
Carroll
Castonguay
Catterall
Cauchon
Coderre
Collenette
Cotler
Cullen
Cuzner
DeVillers
Dion
Drouin
Duplain
Easter
Eggleton
Finlay
Fry
Gallaway
Goodale
Graham
Guarnieri
Harb
Harvard
Harvey
Hubbard
Jennings
Jordan
Karetak-Lindell
Keyes
Knutson
Laliberte
Lastewka
LeBlanc
Leung
Lincoln
Longfield
MacAulay
Macklin
Mahoney
Malhi
Maloney
Marcil
Marleau
McCallum
McCormick
McGuire
McLellan
Murphy
Nault
Neville
O'Reilly
Owen
Pagtakhan
Paradis
Patry
Peric
Peschisolido
Pettigrew
Pickard (Chatham--Kent Essex)
Pratt
Price
Proulx
Redman
Regan
Richardson
Robillard
Saada
Scherrer
Scott
Serré
Sgro
Shepherd
Speller
St-Jacques
St-Julien
St. Denis
Szabo
Telegdi
Thibault (West Nova)
Thibeault (Saint-Lambert)
Tirabassi
Tonks
Valeri
Vanclief
Whelan
Wilfert -- 103
NAYS -- CONTRE
Bachand (Saint-Jean)
Bailey
Bélanger
Bellehumeur
Benoit
Borotsik
Bourgeois
Breitkreuz
Brien
Cadman
Clark
Crête
Desjarlais
Epp
Fitzpatrick
Forseth
Fournier
Gagnon (Québec)
Gauthier
Godin
Hanger
Hearn
Herron
Hilstrom
Hinton
Jaffer
Johnston
Keddy (South Shore)
Laframboise
Lanctôt
Lebel
Lunn (Saanich--Gulf Islands)
Lunney (Nanaimo--Alberni)
MacKay (Pictou--Antigonish--Guysborough)
Martin (Winnipeg Centre)
Meredith
Merrifield
Mills (Red Deer)
Nystrom
Plamondon
Rajotte
Rocheleau
Roy
Sauvageau
Schmidt
Skelton
Sorenson
Spencer
St-Hilaire
Toews
Tremblay (Rimouski-Neigette-et-la Mitis)
Wasylycia-Leis
White (Langley--Abbotsford) -- 53

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Cauchon (Minister of Justice) , seconded by Mr. Byrne (Minister of State (Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency)) , — That the amendment made by the Senate to Bill C-7, An Act in respect of criminal justice for young persons and to amend and repeal other Acts, be now read a second time and concurred in;

And of the amendment of Mr. Bellehumeur (Berthier--Montcalm) , seconded by Ms. Gagnon (Québec) , — That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word “That” and substituting the following:

    “the amendment made by the Senate to Bill C-7, An Act in respect of criminal justice for young persons and to amend and repeal other Acts, be not now read a second time and concurred in, since it does not in any way take into consideration the distinct character of Quebec and the Quebec model for implementation of the Young Offenders Act.”.

The debate continued.

Statements By Members

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

Oral Questions

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

Daily Routine Of Business

Tabling of Documents

Pursuant to Standing Order 34(1), the Speaker presented the Report of the Parliamentary delegation that travelled to Thailand, from November 13 to 18, 2001. — Sessional Paper No. 8565-371-75-02.


Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Regan (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, — Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the following petitions:

— Nos. 371-0482 and 371-0498 concerning China. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-371-36-14.

Presenting Reports from Inter-parliamentary Delegations

Pursuant to Standing Order 34(1), Mr. Wilfert (Oak Ridges) presented the Report of the Canadian delegation of the Canada-Japan Interparliamentary Group respecting its participation at the 22nd General Assembly of the ASEAN Inter-Parliamentary Organization held in Bangkok, Thailand, from September 2 to 7, 2001. — Sessional Paper No. 8565-371-57-03.

Introduction of Private Members' Bills

Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Reynolds (West Vancouver--Sunshine Coast) , seconded by Mr. Jaffer (Edmonton--Strathcona) , Bill C-428, An Act to amend the Citizenship Act, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

— by Mr. Peric (Cambridge) , one concerning health care services (No. 371-0551);

— by Mr. MacKay (Pictou--Antigonish--Guysborough) , one concerning health care services (No. 371-0552);

— by Mr. Lee (Scarborough--Rouge River) , two concerning health care services (Nos. 371-0553 and 371-0554).

Government Orders

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Cauchon (Minister of Justice) , seconded by Mr. Byrne (Minister of State (Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency)) , — That the amendment made by the Senate to Bill C-7, An Act in respect of criminal justice for young persons and to amend and repeal other Acts, be now read a second time and concurred in;

And of the amendment of Mr. Bellehumeur (Berthier--Montcalm) , seconded by Ms. Gagnon (Québec) , — That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word “That” and substituting the following:

    “the amendment made by the Senate to Bill C-7, An Act in respect of criminal justice for young persons and to amend and repeal other Acts, be not now read a second time and concurred in, since it does not in any way take into consideration the distinct character of Quebec and the Quebec model for implementation of the Young Offenders Act.”.

The debate continued.

At 6:45 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 78(3), the Speaker interrupted the proceedings.

The question was put on the amendment and it was negatived on the following division:

+-

(Division No. 222 -- Vote No 222)

YEAS: 36, NAYS: 172

YEAS -- POUR
Bachand (Saint-Jean)
Bellehumeur
Bigras
Blaikie
Bourgeois
Brien
Comartin
Crête
Dalphond-Guiral
Davies
Desjarlais
Duceppe
Fournier
Gagnon (Québec)
Gagnon (Champlain)
Gauthier
Godin
Guimond
Herron
Laframboise
Lalonde
Lanctôt
Lebel
Martin (Winnipeg Centre)
McDonough
Ménard
Nystrom
Plamondon
Robinson
Rocheleau
Roy
Sauvageau
St-Hilaire
Stoffer
Tremblay (Rimouski-Neigette-et-la Mitis)
Wasylycia-Leis -- 36
NAYS -- CONTRE
Adams
Alcock
Allard
Anderson (Victoria)
Assadourian
Augustine
Bagnell
Bailey
Bélanger
Bellemare
Bennett
Benoit
Bertrand
Bevilacqua
Binet
Blondin-Andrew
Bonin
Borotsik
Bradshaw
Breitkreuz
Brison
Brown
Bryden
Bulte
Byrne
Caccia
Cadman
Calder
Cannis
Caplan
Carroll
Castonguay
Catterall
Cauchon
Chamberlain
Chatters
Clark
Coderre
Copps
Cotler
Cullen
Cummins
Cuzner
DeVillers
Dhaliwal
Dion
Discepola
Doyle
Dromisky
Drouin
Duncan
Duplain
Easter
Eggleton
Epp
Eyking
Finlay
Fitzpatrick
Fontana
Forseth
Fry
Gallant
Gallaway
Godfrey
Goodale
Graham
Grewal
Hanger
Harvard
Harvey
Hearn
Hilstrom
Hinton
Hubbard
Jackson
Jaffer
Johnston
Jordan
Karetak-Lindell
Keddy (South Shore)
Kenney (Calgary Southeast)
Keyes
Kilgour (Edmonton Southeast)
Knutson
Lastewka
LeBlanc
Lee
Leung
Lincoln
Longfield
Lunn (Saanich--Gulf Islands)
Lunney (Nanaimo--Alberni)
MacAulay
MacKay (Pictou--Antigonish--Guysborough)
Macklin
Mahoney
Malhi
Maloney
Manley
Marcil
Martin (LaSalle--Émard)
Matthews
McCallum
McCormick
McGuire
McKay (Scarborough East)
McLellan
Merrifield
Mills (Red Deer)
Mitchell
Murphy
Myers
Nault
Neville
O'Brien (Labrador)
O'Reilly
Owen
Pagtakhan
Pallister
Paradis
Patry
Penson
Peric
Peschisolido
Pettigrew
Phinney
Pratt
Price
Proulx
Provenzano
Rajotte
Redman
Reed (Halton)
Regan
Reid (Lanark--Carleton)
Reynolds
Richardson
Ritz
Robillard
Saada
Scherrer
Schmidt
Scott
Serré
Sgro
Shepherd
Skelton
Solberg
Sorenson
Speller
Spencer
St-Jacques
St-Julien
St. Denis
Stewart
Szabo
Telegdi
Thibault (West Nova)
Thibeault (Saint-Lambert)
Tirabassi
Toews
Tonks
Torsney
Valeri
Vanclief
Volpe
Whelan
White (Langley--Abbotsford)
Wilfert
Williams
Wood
Yelich -- 172
PAIRED -- PAIRÉS
Asselin
Barnes
Bergeron
Bonwick
Cardin
Collenette
Comuzzi
Desrochers
Dromisky
Dubé
Farrah
Folco
Girard-Bujold
Guay
Kraft Sloan
Loubier
Marceau
Minna
O'Brien (London--Fanshawe)
Paquette
Perron
Peterson
Picard (Drummond)
Pillitteri
Rock
Tremblay (Lac-Saint-Jean--Saguenay)
Venne
Wappel

The question was put on the main motion and it was agreed to on the following division:

-

(Division No. 223 -- Vote No 223)

YEAS: 145, NAYS: 62

YEAS -- POUR
Adams
Alcock
Allard
Anderson (Victoria)
Assadourian
Augustine
Bagnell
Bélanger
Bellemare
Bennett
Bertrand
Bevilacqua
Binet
Blaikie
Blondin-Andrew
Bonin
Borotsik
Bradshaw
Brison
Brown
Bulte
Byrne
Caccia
Calder
Cannis
Caplan
Carroll
Castonguay
Catterall
Cauchon
Chamberlain
Clark
Coderre
Comartin
Copps
Cotler
Cullen
Cuzner
Davies
Desjarlais
DeVillers
Dhaliwal
Dion
Discepola
Doyle
Dromisky
Drouin
Duplain
Easter
Eggleton
Eyking
Finlay
Fontana
Fry
Gallaway
Godfrey
Godin
Goodale
Graham
Harvard
Harvey
Hearn
Herron
Hubbard
Jackson
Jordan
Karetak-Lindell
Keddy (South Shore)
Keyes
Kilgour (Edmonton Southeast)
Knutson
Lastewka
LeBlanc
Lee
Leung
Lincoln
Longfield
MacAulay
MacKay (Pictou--Antigonish--Guysborough)
Macklin
Mahoney
Malhi
Maloney
Manley
Marcil
Martin (Winnipeg Centre)
Martin (LaSalle--Émard)
Matthews
McCallum
McCormick
McDonough
McGuire
McKay (Scarborough East)
McLellan
Mitchell
Murphy
Myers
Nault
Neville
Nystrom
O'Brien (Labrador)
O'Reilly
Owen
Pagtakhan
Paradis
Patry
Peric
Peschisolido
Phinney
Pratt
Price
Proulx
Provenzano
Redman
Reed (Halton)
Regan
Richardson
Robillard
Robinson
Saada
Scherrer
Scott
Serré
Sgro
Shepherd
Speller
St-Jacques
St-Julien
St. Denis
Stewart
Stoffer
Szabo
Telegdi
Thibault (West Nova)
Thibeault (Saint-Lambert)
Tirabassi
Tonks
Torsney
Valeri
Vanclief
Volpe
Wasylycia-Leis
Whelan
Wilfert
Wood -- 145
NAYS -- CONTRE
Bachand (Saint-Jean)
Bailey
Bellehumeur
Benoit
Bigras
Bourgeois
Breitkreuz
Brien
Bryden
Cadman
Chatters
Crête
Cummins
Dalphond-Guiral
Duceppe
Duncan
Epp
Fitzpatrick
Forseth
Fournier
Gagnon (Québec)
Gagnon (Champlain)
Gallant
Gauthier
Grewal
Guimond
Hanger
Hilstrom
Hinton
Jaffer
Johnston
Kenney (Calgary Southeast)
Laframboise
Lalonde
Lanctôt
Lebel
Lunn (Saanich--Gulf Islands)
Lunney (Nanaimo--Alberni)
Ménard
Merrifield
Mills (Red Deer)
Pallister
Penson
Plamondon
Rajotte
Reid (Lanark--Carleton)
Reynolds
Ritz
Rocheleau
Roy
Sauvageau
Schmidt
Skelton
Solberg
Sorenson
Spencer
St-Hilaire
Toews
Tremblay (Rimouski-Neigette-et-la Mitis)
White (Langley--Abbotsford)
Williams
Yelich -- 62
PAIRED -- PAIRÉS
Asselin
Barnes
Bergeron
Bonwick
Cardin
Collenette
Comuzzi
Desrochers
Dromisky
Dubé
Farrah
Folco
Girard-Bujold
Guay
Kraft Sloan
Loubier
Marceau
Minna
O'Brien (London--Fanshawe)
Paquette
Perron
Peterson
Picard (Drummond)
Pillitteri
Rock
Tremblay (Lac-Saint-Jean--Saguenay)
Venne
Wappel

Adjournment

At 7:20 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 10:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).