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HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
36th PARLIAMENT, 2nd SESSION


JOURNALS

No. 039

Tuesday, December 14, 1999

10:00 a.m.



PRAYERS

DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS

Tabling of Documents

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Lee (Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, -- Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the following petitions:

-- Nos. 362-0217, 362-0225, 362-0246 and 362-0279 concerning the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-362-18-12.

MOTIONS

Mr. Lee (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), seconded by Mr. Bonin (Nickel Belt), moved, -- That the House do now proceed to the Orders of the Day.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 660)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Alcock -- Anderson -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Baker -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bellemare -- Bennett -- Bevilacqua -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bonin -- Boudria -- Bradshaw -- Bryden -- Bulte -- Byrne -- Caccia -- Calder -- Cannis -- Caplan -- Carroll -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Charbonneau -- Chrétien --  (Saint-Maurice) -- Clouthier -- Coderre -- Collenette -- Copps -- Cotler -- Cullen -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Dion -- Discepola -- Dromisky -- Drouin -- Duhamel -- Easter -- Eggleton -- Finlay -- Fontana -- Forseth -- Fry -- Gagliano -- Gallaway -- Godfrey -- Goodale -- Graham -- Gray --  (Windsor West) -- Grose -- Guarnieri -- Harb -- Harvard -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Jackson -- Jennings -- Jordan -- Karetak-Lindell -- Keyes -- Kilger --  (Stormont -- Dundas -- Charlottenburgh) -- Kilgour --  (Edmonton Southeast) -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lastewka -- Lee -- Leung -- Limoges -- Lincoln -- Lunn -- MacAulay -- Mahoney -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Marleau -- Martin --  (Esquimalt -- Juan de Fuca) -- Martin --  (LaSalle -- Émard) -- Matthews -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKay --  (Scarborough East) -- McLellan --  (Edmonton West) -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murray -- Myers -- Nault -- Normand -- O'Brien --  (Labrador) -- O'Brien --  (London -- Fanshawe) -- O'Reilly -- Obhrai -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Patry -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Phinney -- Pickard --  (Chatham -- Kent Essex) -- Pillitteri -- Pratt -- Proud -- Proulx -- Provenzano -- Redman -- Reed -- Richardson -- Robillard -- Saada -- Scott --  (Fredericton) -- Serré -- Speller -- St. Denis -- St-Julien -- Stewart --  (Brant) -- Stewart --  (Northumberland) -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Thibeault -- Torsney -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Volpe -- Wappel -- Whelan -- Wilfert -- Wood -- 139

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Alarie -- Anders -- Asselin -- Bachand --  (Richmond -- Arthabaska) -- Bachand --  (Saint-Jean) -- Bailey -- Bellehumeur -- Bergeron -- Bernier --  (Bonaventure -- Gaspé -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine -- Pabok) -- Bernier --  (Tobique -- Mactaquac) -- Bigras -- Blaikie -- Borotsik -- Brien -- Brison -- Canuel -- Cardin -- Chatters -- Chrétien --  (Frontenac -- Mégantic) -- Crête -- Dalphond-Guiral -- de Savoye -- Debien -- Desrochers -- Dockrill -- Doyle -- Dubé --  (Lévis-et-Chutes-de-la-Chaudière) -- Dubé --  (Madawaska -- Restigouche) -- Duceppe -- Dumas -- Duncan -- Earle -- Epp -- Fournier -- Gagnon -- Gauthier -- Gilmour -- Girard-Bujold -- Godin --  (Acadie -- Bathurst) -- Godin --  (Châteauguay) -- Grewal -- Grey --  (Edmonton North) -- Gruending -- Guay -- Guimond -- Hart -- Harvey -- Herron -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Jones -- Lalonde -- Laurin -- Lebel -- Lefebvre -- Lill -- Loubier -- Lowther -- MacKay --  (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough) -- Marceau -- Marchand -- Mark -- McDonough -- McNally -- Ménard -- Mercier -- Meredith -- Mills --  (Red Deer) -- Muise -- Perron -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Power -- Proctor -- Reynolds -- Robinson -- Rocheleau -- Sauvageau -- Solomon -- St-Hilaire -- Stinson -- Stoffer -- Strahl -- Thompson --  (Wild Rose) -- Tremblay --  (Lac-Saint-Jean) -- Turp -- Vellacott -- Venne -- Wasylycia-Leis -- Wayne -- 89

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The Order was read for the second reading and reference to a legislative committee of Bill C-20, An Act to give effect to the requirement for clarity as set out in the opinion of the Supreme Court of Canada in the Quebec Secession Reference.

Mr. Dion (Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs), seconded by Mr. Gagliano (Minister of Public Works and Government Services), moved, -- That the Bill be now read a second time and referred to a legislative committee.

Debate arose thereon.

Mr. Duceppe (Laurier -- Sainte-Marie), seconded by Mr. Gauthier (Roberval), moved the following amendment, -- That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word ``That'' and substituting the following:

    "this House declines to give second reading to Bill C-20, An Act to give effect to the requirement for clarity as set out in the opinion of the Supreme Court of Canada in the Quebec Secession Reference, because the Bill contravenes the inalienable right of the Quebec people to decide freely their own future."

Debate arose thereon.

STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

ORAL QUESTIONS

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Dion (Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs), seconded by Mr. Gagliano (Minister of Public Works and Government Services), -- That Bill C-20, An Act to give effect to the requirement for clarity as set out in the opinion of the Supreme Court of Canada in the Quebec Secession Reference, be now read a second time and referred to a legislative committee;

And of the amendment of Mr. Duceppe (Laurier -- Sainte-Marie), seconded by Mr. Gauthier (Roberval).

The debate continued.

Mr. Turp (Beauharnois -- Salaberry), seconded by Mr. Desrochers (Lotbinière), moved, -- That this House do now adjourn.

The question was put on the motion and it was negatived on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 661)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Anders -- Asselin -- Bachand --  (Saint-Jean) -- Bellehumeur -- Benoit -- Bergeron -- Bernier --  (Bonaventure -- Gaspé -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine -- Pabok) -- Bigras -- Brien -- Canuel -- Cardin -- Chrétien --  (Frontenac -- Mégantic) -- Crête -- Dalphond-Guiral -- de Savoye -- Debien -- Desrochers -- Dubé --  (Lévis-et-Chutes-de-la-Chaudière) -- Duceppe -- Dumas -- Duncan -- Fournier -- Gagnon -- Gauthier -- Girard-Bujold -- Godin --  (Châteauguay) -- Grewal -- Guay -- Guimond -- Jaffer -- Lalonde -- Laurin -- Lebel -- Lefebvre -- Loubier -- Lowther -- Marceau -- Marchand -- Ménard -- Mercier -- Perron -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Plamondon -- Rocheleau -- Sauvageau -- St-Hilaire -- Thompson --  (Wild Rose) -- Tremblay --  (Lac-Saint-Jean) -- Turp -- Venne -- 50

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Adams -- Alcock -- Anderson -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Bachand --  (Richmond -- Arthabaska) -- Baker -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bennett -- Bernier --  (Tobique -- Mactaquac) -- Bertrand -- Bevilacqua -- Blaikie -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bonin -- Bonwick -- Borotsik -- Boudria -- Bradshaw -- Brison -- Bryden -- Bulte -- Byrne -- Caccia -- Calder -- Caplan -- Carroll -- Casey -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Chan -- Charbonneau -- Chatters -- Clouthier -- Coderre -- Collenette -- Copps -- Cotler -- Cullen -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Dion -- Discepola -- Dockrill -- Doyle -- Drouin -- Duhamel -- Earle -- Easter -- Eggleton -- Epp -- Finlay -- Fontana -- Fry -- Gagliano -- Gallaway -- Godin --  (Acadie -- Bathurst) -- Goodale -- Graham -- Gray --  (Windsor West) -- Grey --  (Edmonton North) -- Grose -- Gruending -- Guarnieri -- Hanger -- Harb -- Hart -- Harvard -- Harvey -- Herron -- Hill --  (Macleod) -- Hill --  (Prince George -- Peace River) -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Jackson -- Jones -- Karetak-Lindell -- Kenney --  (Calgary Southeast) -- Keyes -- Kilger --  (Stormont -- Dundas -- Charlottenburgh) -- Kilgour --  (Edmonton Southeast) -- Kraft Sloan -- Lastewka -- Lee -- Leung -- Limoges -- Lincoln -- Longfield -- Lunn -- MacAulay -- MacKay --  (Pictou -- Antigonish -- Guysborough) -- Mahoney -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Mancini -- Manley -- Marleau -- Martin --  (Winnipeg Centre) -- Matthews -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKay --  (Scarborough East) -- McLellan --  (Edmonton West) -- McNally -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Mifflin -- Mills --  (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Mills --  (Red Deer) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Muise -- Nault -- Normand -- Nystrom -- O'Brien --  (Labrador) -- O'Brien --  (London -- Fanshawe) -- O'Reilly -- Obhrai -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Patry -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Phinney -- Pickard --  (Chatham -- Kent Essex) -- Pillitteri -- Power -- Pratt -- Proctor -- Proud -- Proulx -- Provenzano -- Redman -- Reed -- Reynolds -- Richardson -- Robillard -- Rock -- Saada -- Schmidt -- Scott --  (Fredericton) -- Scott --  (Skeena) -- Sgro -- Solomon -- Speller -- St-Jacques -- St-Julien -- Steckle -- Stewart --  (Brant) -- Stoffer -- Strahl -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Thibeault -- Thompson --  (New Brunswick Southwest) -- Torsney -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Vellacott -- Volpe -- Wappel -- Wasylycia-Leis -- Wayne -- Whelan -- Wilfert -- Williams -- Wood -- 178

PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS

At 5:48 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(7), the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members' Business.

Mr. Benoit (Lakeland), seconded by Mr. Abbott (Kootenay -- Columbia), moved, -- That, in the opinion of this House, the government should impose minimum sentences for those involved in people smuggling, with the highest minimum sentences for those who profit the most, including organized crime bosses, "snakeheads" and those who carry out the actual smuggling operations. (Private Members' Business M-20)

Debate arose thereon.

Pursuant to Standing Order 96(1), the Order was dropped from the Order Paper.

MESSAGES FROM THE SENATE

-- ORDERED: That a message be sent to the House of Commons to acquaint that House that the Senate has passed Bill C-4, An Act to implement the Agreement among the Government of Canada, Governments of Member States of the European Space Agency, the Government of Japan, the Government of the Russian Federation, and the Government of the United States of America concerning Cooperation on the Civil International Space Station and to make related amendments to other Acts, without amendment.

RETURNS AND REPORTS DEPOSITED WITH THE CLERK OF THE HOUSE

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), a paper deposited with the Clerk of the House was laid upon the Table as follows:

-- by Mr. Collenette (Minister of Transport) -- Report on the financial operations of Canada's public harbours and ports for the fiscal year ended March 31, 1999, pursuant to the Public Harbours and Port Facilities Act, R.S. 1985, c. P-29, s. 26. -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-362-171-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Transport)

PETITIONS FILED WITH THE CLERK OF THE HOUSE

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were filed as follows:

-- by Mr. Godfrey (Don Valley West), one concerning China (No. 362-0365);

-- by Mr. Muise (West Nova), one concerning the Canada Post Corporation (No. 362-0366).

PROCEEDINGS ON ADJOURNMENT MOTION

At 6:48 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 38(1), the question "That this House do now adjourn" was deemed to have been proposed.

After debate, the question was deemed to have been adopted.

ADJOURNMENT

At 7:06 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 2:00 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).