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HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
35th PARLIAMENT, 2nd SESSION


JOURNALS

No. 33

Thursday, April 25, 1996

10:00 a.m.



PRAYERS

DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS

Tabling of Documents

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Zed (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, -- Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the following petitions: (1) Nos. 352-0013, 352-0054, 352-0071, 352-0072, 352-0119, 352-0146 and 352-0158 concerning alcoholic beverages. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-352-41B; (2) Nos. 352-0037, 352-0038 and 352-0056 concerning the unemployment insurance program. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-352-37B; (3) No. 352-0163 concerning human rights in Vietnam. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-352-51.

Introduction of Government Bills

Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Ms. Copps (Minister of Canadian Heritage), seconded by Mr. Young (Minister of Human Resources Development), Bill C-32, An Act to amend the Copyright Act, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

Introduction of Private Members' Bills

Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Ms. Guarnieri (Mississauga East), seconded by Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South), Bill C-274, An Act to amend the Criminal Code and the Corrections and Conditional Release Act (cumulative sentences), was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

-- by Mr. Patry (Pierrefonds -- Dollard), one concerning national unity (No. 352-0298);

-- by Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South), one concerning the income tax system (No. 352-0299) and one concerning alcoholic beverages (No. 352-0300);

-- by Mr. Kerpan (Moose Jaw -- Lake Centre), one concerning the tax on gasoline (No. 352-0301).

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

Notice having been given at a previous sitting under the provisions of Standing Order 78(3), Mr. Young (Minister of Human Resources Development), seconded by Mr. MacAulay (Secretary of State (Veterans) and Secretary of State (Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency)), moved, -- That in relation to Bill C-12, An Act respecting employment insurance in Canada, not more than ten further hours shall be allotted to the consideration of the committee stage of the Bill and that, at the expiry of the time provided for in this Order, any proceedings before the Standing Committee on Human Resources Development shall be interrupted, if required for the purpose of this Order and, in turn, every question necessary for the disposal of the said stage of the Bill shall be put forthwith and successively, without further debate or amendment.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 44)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Alcock -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bethel -- Bevilacqua -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bodnar -- Boudria -- Brown --  (Oakville -- Milton) -- Brushett -- Bryden -- Byrne -- Caccia -- Calder -- Campbell -- Cannis -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Collenette -- Collins -- Comuzzi -- Copps -- Cowling -- Crawford -- Culbert -- Cullen -- DeVillers -- Dion -- Discepola -- Dromisky -- Dupuy -- Easter -- Eggleton -- English -- Finestone -- Finlay -- Flis -- Fontana -- Fry -- Gaffney -- Gagnon --  (Bonaventure -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine) -- Goodale -- Graham -- Grose -- Harvard -- Hopkins -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Jackson -- Jordan -- Keyes -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lavigne --  (Verdun -- Saint-Paul) -- LeBlanc --  (Cape/Cap-Breton Highlands -- Canso) -- Lee -- Lincoln -- Loney -- MacAulay -- MacDonald -- MacLellan --  (Cape/Cap-Breton -- The Sydneys) -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Marleau -- Martin --  (LaSalle -- Émard) -- Massé -- McGuire -- McLellan --  (Edmonton Northwest/Nord-Ouest) -- McTeague -- Mifflin -- Milliken -- Mitchell -- Murphy -- Murray -- Nault -- O'Brien --  (London -- Middlesex) -- O'Reilly -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Patry -- Payne -- Peric -- Peters -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Pickard --  (Essex -- Kent) -- Pillitteri -- Proud -- Reed -- Regan -- Richardson -- Rideout -- Robichaud -- Robillard -- Scott --  (Fredericton -- York -- Sunbury) -- Serré -- Shepherd -- Sheridan -- Simmons -- Speller -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stewart --  (Brant) -- Stewart --  (Northumberland) -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Terrana -- Thalheimer -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Verran -- Volpe -- Whelan -- Wood -- Young -- Zed -- 126

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Ablonczy -- Althouse -- Asselin -- Bachand -- Bélisle -- Bellehumeur -- Bergeron -- Bernier --  (Gaspé) -- Bernier --  (Mégantic -- Compton -- Stanstead) -- Breitkreuz --  (Yellowhead) -- Breitkreuz --  (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Brien -- Brown --  (Calgary Southeast/Sud-Est) -- Canuel -- Chatters -- Chrétien --  (Frontenac) -- Crête -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Debien -- Deshaies -- Dubé -- Dumas -- Epp -- Fillion -- Frazer -- Gagnon --  (Québec) -- Gauthier -- Godin -- Gouk -- Grey --  (Beaver River) -- Guay -- Guimond -- Hanger -- Hart -- Hayes -- Hermanson -- Hoeppner -- Jacob -- Jennings -- Johnston -- Kerpan -- Lalonde -- Landry -- Langlois -- Laurin -- Lebel -- Leblanc --  (Longueuil) -- Lefebvre -- Leroux --  (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- Leroux --  (Shefford) -- Loubier -- Marchand -- Mayfield -- McLaughlin -- Ménard -- Mercier -- Mills --  (Red Deer) -- Morrison -- Paré -- Penson -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Pomerleau -- Ringma -- Sauvageau -- Schmidt -- Silye -- Solberg -- Taylor -- Thompson -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski -- Témiscouata) -- Wayne -- 72

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Caron -- Chan -- Cohen -- Daviault -- Duceppe -- Gallaway -- Harb -- Kirkby -- Lavigne --  (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- Paradis -- Rocheleau -- St-Laurent -- Venne -- Wells


Notice having been given at a previous sitting under the provisions of Standing Order 78(3), Mr. Manley (Minister of Industry, Minister for the Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency and Minister of Western Economic Diversification), seconded by Mr. Irwin (Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development), moved, -- That in relation to Bill C-31, An Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on March 6, 1996, not more than one additional sitting day after the day on which this Order is adopted shall be allotted to the consideration of the second reading stage of the Bill, and that, fifteen minutes before the expiry of the time provided for Government Business on the day so allotted to the consideration of the second reading stage of the said Bill, any proceedings before the House shall be interrupted, if required for the purpose of this Order and, in turn, every question necessary for the disposal of the said stage of the Bill shall be put forthwith and successively, without further debate or amendment.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:



(Division--Vote No 45)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Adams -- Alcock -- Assad -- Assadourian -- Augustine -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Beaumier -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bethel -- Bevilacqua -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bodnar -- Boudria -- Brown --  (Oakville -- Milton) -- Brushett -- Bryden -- Byrne -- Caccia -- Calder -- Campbell -- Cannis -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Collenette -- Collins -- Comuzzi -- Copps -- Cowling -- Crawford -- Culbert -- Cullen -- DeVillers -- Dion -- Discepola -- Dromisky -- Dupuy -- Easter -- Eggleton -- English -- Finestone -- Finlay -- Flis -- Fontana -- Fry -- Gaffney -- Gagnon --  (Bonaventure -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine) -- Goodale -- Graham -- Grose -- Harvard -- Hopkins -- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Irwin -- Jackson -- Jordan -- Keyes -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lavigne --  (Verdun -- Saint-Paul) -- LeBlanc --  (Cape/Cap-Breton Highlands -- Canso) -- Lee -- Lincoln -- Loney -- MacAulay -- MacDonald -- MacLellan --  (Cape/Cap-Breton -- The Sydneys) -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Marleau -- Martin --  (LaSalle -- Émard) -- Massé -- McGuire -- McLellan --  (Edmonton Northwest/Nord-Ouest) -- McTeague -- Mifflin -- Milliken -- Mitchell -- Murphy -- Murray -- Nault -- O'Brien --  (London -- Middlesex) -- O'Reilly -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Patry -- Payne -- Peric -- Peters -- Peterson -- Pettigrew -- Pickard --  (Essex -- Kent) -- Pillitteri -- Proud -- Reed -- Regan -- Richardson -- Rideout -- Robichaud -- Robillard -- Scott --  (Fredericton -- York -- Sunbury) -- Serré -- Shepherd -- Sheridan -- Simmons -- Speller -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stewart --  (Brant) -- Stewart --  (Northumberland) -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Terrana -- Thalheimer -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Verran -- Volpe -- Whelan -- Wood -- Young -- Zed -- 127

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Ablonczy -- Althouse -- Asselin -- Bachand -- Bélisle -- Bellehumeur -- Bergeron -- Bernier --  (Gaspé) -- Bernier --  (Mégantic -- Compton -- Stanstead) -- Breitkreuz --  (Yellowhead) -- Breitkreuz --  (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Brien -- Brown --  (Calgary Southeast/Sud-Est) -- Canuel -- Chatters -- Chrétien --  (Frontenac) -- Crête -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Debien -- Deshaies -- Dubé -- Dumas -- Epp -- Fillion -- Frazer -- Gagnon --  (Québec) -- Gauthier -- Godin -- Gouk -- Grey --  (Beaver River) -- Guay -- Guimond -- Hanger -- Hart -- Hayes -- Hermanson -- Hoeppner -- Jacob -- Jennings -- Johnston -- Kerpan -- Lalonde -- Landry -- Langlois -- Laurin -- Lebel -- Leblanc --  (Longueuil) -- Lefebvre -- Leroux --  (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- Leroux --  (Shefford) -- Loubier -- Marchand -- Mayfield -- McLaughlin -- Ménard -- Mercier -- Mills --  (Red Deer) -- Morrison -- Paré -- Penson -- Picard --  (Drummond) -- Pomerleau -- Ringma -- Sauvageau -- Schmidt -- Silye -- Solberg -- Taylor -- Thompson -- Tremblay --  (Rimouski -- Témiscouata) -- Wayne -- Williams -- 73

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance), seconded by Ms. McLellan (Minister of Natural Resources), -- That Bill C-31, An Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on March 6, 1996, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Finance.

The debate continued.

Mr. Silye (Calgary Centre), seconded by Mr. Thompson (Wild Rose), moved the following amendment, -- That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word "That" and substituting the following:

    "this House declines to give second reading to Bill C-31, An Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on March 6, 1996, since the principle of the Bill does not seek to abolish the Goods and Services Tax."

Debate arose thereon.

STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

ORAL QUESTIONS

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance), seconded by Ms. McLellan (Minister of Natural Resources), -- That Bill C-31, An Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on March 6, 1996, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Finance;

And of the amendment of Mr. Silye (Calgary Centre), seconded by Mr. Thompson (Wild Rose).

The debate continued.

MOTIONS

By unanimous consent, Mr. Zed (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), seconded by Mr. Dion (President of the Queen's Privy Council for Canada and Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs), moved, -- That , pursuant to its mandate in relation to the Comprehensive Review of the Young Offenders Act (Phase II), and specifically, to observe how the youth justice system operates in practice, the Standing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs (6 Members): Four (4) from the Liberal Party including the Chair, one (1) from the Bloc québécois and one (1) from the Reform Party, be authorized to travel to Toronto, London and Windsor, Ontario, from May 5 to 10, 1996 in order to hold public hearings, visit sites (young offender facilities and programmes) and meet with officials and that the necessary staff do accompany the Committee.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance), seconded by Ms. McLellan (Minister of Natural Resources), -- That Bill C-31, An Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on March 6, 1996, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Finance;

And of the amendment of Mr. Silye (Calgary Centre), seconded by Mr. Thompson (Wild Rose).

The debate continued.

Mr. Leblanc (Longueuil), seconded by Mr. Dumas (Argenteuil -- Papineau), moved the following sub-amendment, -- That the amendment be amended by adding after the word "That" the following:

    "as promised before and after the October 1995 federal election".

PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS

At 5:30 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(6), the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members' Business.

Mr. Taylor (The Battlefords -- Meadow Lake), seconded by Ms. McLaughlin (Yukon), moved, -- That, in the opinion of this House, the flag on Parliament Hill be lowered to half-mast on April 28 each year to commemorate the National Day of Mourning for those killed in the workplace, a policy that is permitted under paragraph 13(d) of the General rules for flying and displaying the Canadian flag and other flags in Canada. (Private Members' Business M-73)

Debate arose thereon.

Pursuant to Standing Order 96(1), the Order was dropped from the Order Paper.

RETURNS AND REPORTS DEPOSITED WITH THE CLERK OF THE HOUSE

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), papers deposited with the Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table as follows:

-- by Mr. Massé (President of the Treasury Board) -- Report on the Administration of the Public Service Superannuation Act for the fiscal year ended March 31, 1995, pursuant to the Public Service Superannuation Act, R. S. 1985, c. P-36, s. 46.

-- Sessional Paper No. 8560-352-220. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Government Operations)

-- by Mr. Massé (President of the Treasury Board) -- Report on the Administration of the Supplementary Retirement Benefits Act for the fiscal year ended March 31, 1995, pursuant to the Supplementary Retirement Benefits Act, R. S. 1985, c. S-24, s. 12. -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-352-366. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Government Operations)

-- by Ms. McLellan (Minister of Natural Resources) -- Report on the administration of the Canada Petroleum Resources Act for the year 1995, pursuant to the Canada Petroleum Resources Act, R. S. 1985, c. 36 (2nd Supp.), s. 109. -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-352-455. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Natural Resources)

PROCEEDINGS ON ADJOURNMENT MOTION

At 6:30 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 38(1), the question "That this House do now adjourn" was deemed to have been proposed.

After debate, the question was deemed to have been adopted.

ADJOURNMENT

At 6:36 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 10:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).