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House of Commons of Canada
35th Parliament, 2nd Session

Journals

No. 133
Wednesday, February 19, 1997
2:00 p.m.

Prayers

National Anthem

Statements by Members

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

Oral Questions

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

Daily Routine of Business

Tabling of Documents

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Zed (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, — Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the following petitions:

  1. Nos. 352-1192 and 352-1223 concerning the Copyright Act. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-352-143;
  2. No. 352-1403 concerning international trade. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-352-144;
  3. Nos. 352-1524 to 352-1528, 352-1529 and 352-1530 concerning sexual orientation. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-352-45X;
  4. Nos. 352-1531 to 352-1534 concerning the Criminal Code (common bawdy-house). — Sessional Paper No. 8545-352-145;
  5. No. 352-1535 concerning the nuclear industry. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-352-46F.

Presenting Reports from Inter-parliamentary Delegations

Pursuant to Standing Order 34(1), Mr. Maloney (Erie) presented the report of the Canadian delegation of the Canada-Japan Inter-Parliamentary Group respecting its participation at the Annual Meeting of the Asia Pacific Parliamentary Forum held in Vancouver, British Columbia, from January 7 to 10, 1997. — Sessional Paper No. 8565-352-57C.

Presenting Reports from Committees

Mr. Zed (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), from the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs, presented the 56th Report of the Committee, which was as follows:

The Committee recommends, pursuant to Standing Orders 104 and 114, the following change in the membership of the Standing Committee:

Industry

Pierre Brien for Maurice Godin
The Committee also recommends, pursuant to Standing Orders 104 and 114, that the following Member be added to the list of Associate Members of the Standing Committee:

Industry

Maurice Godin
The Committee further recommends, that where a Member is appointed as permanent member to a Committee in accordance with this report and to which he was previously appointed Associate Member, that the name of the Member be struck from the list of Associate Members of the said Committee.
A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence (Issue No. 3, which includes this Report) was tabled.

Introduction of Private Members’ Bills

Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Martin (Esquimalt–Juan de Fuca), seconded by Ms. Meredith (Surrey–White Rock–South Langley), Bill C–372, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (protection of child before birth), was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

Motions

By unanimous consent, Mr. Zed (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), seconded by Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South), moved, — That the 56th Report of the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs, presented earlier today, be concurred in.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

  • by Mr. Leblanc (Longueuil), one concerning the tax on gasoline (No. 352-1765) and one concerning the highway system (No. 352-1766);
  • by Mrs. Brown (Calgary Southeast), one concerning sex offenders (No. 352-1767);
  • by Mr. Martin (Esquimalt–Juan de Fuca), two concerning taxes on books (Nos. 352-1768 and 352-1769), one concerning landmines (No. 352-1770), one concerning the highway system (No. 352-1771), one concerning the tax on gasoline (No. 352-1772), one concerning hormone use in livestock (No. 352-1773) and one concerning the appointment of justices (No. 352-1774);
  • by Mr. Peric (Cambridge), one concerning abortion (No. 352-1775), one concerning euthanasia (No. 352-1776) and one concerning the highway system (No. 352-1777);
  • by Mr. Harb (Ottawa Centre), one concerning the tax on gasoline (No. 352-1778);
  • by Ms. Meredith (Surrey–White Rock–South Langley), one concerning national unity (No. 352-1779) and one concerning the tax on gasoline (No. 352-1780);
  • by Mr. Grubel (Capilano–Howe Sound), one concerning the highway system (No. 352-1781);
  • by Mr. Hermanson (Kindersley–Lloydminster), two concerning the highway system (Nos. 352-1782 and 352-1783) and two concerning the tax on gasoline (Nos. 352-1784 and 352-1785);
  • by Mr. Williams (St. Albert), one concerning taxes on books (No. 352-1786);
  • by Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South), one concerning police and firefighters’ death benefits (No. 352-1787), one concerning the income tax system (No. 352-1788) and one concerning alcoholic beverages (No. 352-1789).

Motions

By unanimous consent, it was ordered, — That Bill C–339, An Act to permit descendants of United Empire Loyalists who fled the land that later became the United States of America after the 1776 American Revolution to establish a claim to the property they or their ancestors owned in the United States that was confiscated without compensation, and claim compensation for it in the Canadian courts, and to exclude from Canada any foreign person trafficking in such property, standing on the Order Paper in the name of Mr. Milliken (Kingston and the Islands) be allowed to stand in the name of Mrs. Wayne (Saint John).

Government Orders

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance), seconded by Mr. Gray (Leader of the Government in the House of Commons and Solicitor General of Canada), — That this House approves in general the budgetary policy of the Government. (Ways and Means Proceedings No. 15)

The debate continued.

Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe–Bagot), seconded by Mr. Pomerleau (Anjou–Rivière-des-Prairies), moved the following amendment, — That the motion be amended by replacing all the words after the word “That” with the following:

“the budget statement by the Minister of Finance be rejected by the House of Commons because it:

unilaterally maintains major reductions in transfer payments to the provinces in the fields of postsecondary education, health, and social assistance, while intruding in areas of exclusive provincial jurisdiction, particularly by creating the Canada Foundation for Innovation from money earmarked for the provinces, introducing a national child tax benefit system, and setting up pilot projects filled with national unity propaganda in the field of health and social programs;

proposes no tangible job creation measures, does not substantially reduce Unemployment Insurance contribution rates, or improve protection for unemployed persons, which has been greatly reduced by Employment Insurance;

conceals its lack of action in creating jobs and fighting poverty, knowingly reducing effectiveness in these areas and distributing electoral gifts around Canada and Quebec;

does not include an in-depth reform of the tax treatment of businesses or individuals, for example, by maintaining benefits for large corporations and rich Canadians; and

introduces no measures to compensate the Quebec government for the 1991 harmonization of its sales tax with the federal GST, although Quebec would be eligible for this compensation in light of the $1 billion being paid to the maritime provinces.”

Debate arose thereon.

Royal Assent

The Speaker informed the House that the Honourable the Deputy Governor General will proceed to the Senate today at 5:00 p.m., for the purpose of giving the Royal Assent to certain Bills.

Government Orders

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance), seconded by Mr. Gray (Leader of the Government in the House of Commons and Solicitor General of Canada), — That this House approves in general the budgetary policy of the Government; (Ways and Means Proceedings No. 15)

And of the amendment of Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe–Bagot), seconded by Mr. Pomerleau (Anjou–Rivière-des-Prairies).

The debate continued.

Mr. Manning (Calgary Southwest), seconded by Mr. Solberg (Medicine Hat), moved the following sub-amendment, — That the amendment be amended

  1. by inserting after the words “health and social assistance,” the following:
    “a measure which is not the answer to stronger sustainable social programs,”;
  2. by inserting after the words “proposes no tangible job creation measures,” the following:
    “such as lower taxes to create long-term jobs,”; and
  3. by inserting after the words “electoral gifts around Canada and Quebec” the following:
    “which, among other things, hampers the government’s ability to balance the budget;”.

Debate arose thereon.

Royal Assent

A Message was received from the Right Honourable Antonio Lamer, Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Canada, in his capacity as Deputy Governor General, desiring the immediate attendance of the House in the Senate.

Accordingly, the Speaker, with the House, proceeded to the Senate.

The Commons returned to the Chamber.

Whereupon, the Speaker reported that, when the Commons had been in the Senate, the Honourable the Deputy Governor General was pleased to give, in Her Majesty’s name, the Royal Assent to the following Bills:

Bill C–41, An Act to amend the Divorce Act, the Family Orders and Agreements Enforcement Assistance Act, the Garnishment, Attachment and Pension Diversion Act and the Canada Shipping Act — Chapter No. 1;

Bill C–53, An Act to amend the Prisons and Reformatories Act — Chapter No. 2;

Bill C–57, An Act to amend the Bell Canada Act — Chapter No. 3;

Bill C–202, An Act respecting a National Organ Donor Week in Canada — Chapter No. 4;

Bill C–270, An Act to amend the Financial Administration Act (session of Parliament) — Chapter No. 5.

Government Orders

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance), seconded by Mr. Gray (Leader of the Government in the House of Commons and Solicitor General of Canada), — That this House approves in general the budgetary policy of the Government; (Ways and Means Proceedings No. 15)

And of the amendment of Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe–Bagot), seconded by Mr. Pomerleau (Anjou–Rivière-des-Prairies);

And of the sub-amendment of Mr. Manning (Calgary Southwest), seconded by M. Solberg (Medicine Hat).

The debate continued.

At 6:30 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 45, the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion of Mr. Goodale (Minister of Agriculture and Agri-Food), seconded by Mr. Gerrard (Secretary of State (Science, Research and Development)(Western Economic Diversification)), — That Bill C–72, An Act to amend the Canadian Wheat Board Act and to make consequential amendments to other Acts, be referred forthwith to the Standing Committee on Agriculture and Agri-Food.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:

(Division — Vote No 226)

Yeas — Pour

Members — Députés

Asselin — Augustine — Bachand — Bakopanos — Barnes — Bélanger — Bélisle — Bellehumeur — Bergeron — Bernier (Beauce) — Bernier (Mégantic–Compton–Stanstead) — Bertrand — Bevilacqua — Bodnar — Bonin — Boudria — Brien — Brown (Oakville–Milton) — Brushett — Bryden — Calder — Canuel — Catterall — Chamberlain — Chrétien (Frontenac) — Clancy — Cohen — Collenette — Collins — Comuzzi — Cowling — Crawford — Culbert — Cullen — de Savoye — Debien — DeVillers — Dhaliwal — Dion — Discepola — Dubé — Dumas — Dupuy — Easter — Eggleton — English — Fewchuk — Finlay — Flis — Fontana — Fry — Gaffney — Gagnon (Bonaventure–Îles-de-la-Madeleine) — Gagnon (Québec) — Gallaway — Godfrey — Godin — Goodale — Graham — Grose — Guarnieri — Guimond — Harb — Harvard — Hopkins — Hubbard — Iftody — Irwin — Jackson — Jacob — Keyes — Kilger (Stormont–Dundas) — Kirkby — Knutson — Kraft Sloan — Langlois — Lastewka — Laurin — Lavigne (Verdun–Saint-Paul) — Lebel — Leblanc (Longueuil) — Lee — Leroux (Shefford) — Loney — Loubier — MacAulay — MacDonald — MacLellan (Cape Breton–The Sydneys) — Malhi — Maloney — Manley — Marchand — Marchi — Marleau — Massé — McCormick — McGuire — McKinnon — McLellan (Edmonton Northwest) — McTeague — McWhinney — Ménard — Mercier — Minna — Mitchell — Murphy — Murray — Nault — Nunez — O’Brien (London–Middlesex) — Pagtakhan — Paradis — Paré — Parrish — Patry — Peric — Peterson — Pettigrew — Phinney — Picard (Drummond) — Pickard (Essex–Kent) — Plamondon — Proud — Reed — Regan — Richardson — Rideout — Robichaud — Robillard — Rocheleau — Sauvageau — Scott (Fredericton–York–Sunbury) — Simmons — Steckle — Stewart (Brant) — Szabo — Telegdi — Torsney — Tremblay (Rimouski–Témiscouata) — Tremblay (Rosemont) — Ur — Valeri — Vanclief — Verran — Volpe — Wappel — Young — Zed --148

Nays — Contre

Members — Députés

Abbott — Axworthy (Saskatoon–Clark’s Crossing) — Benoit — Bhaduria — Breitkreuz (Yorkton–Melville) — Bridgman — Cummins — de Jong — Epp — Forseth — Frazer — Gouk — Grey (Beaver River) — Grubel — Hanger — Harper (Simcoe Centre) — Harris — Hart — Hermanson — Hill (Macleod) — Kerpan — Mayfield — McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) — Penson — Schmidt — Solberg — Speaker — Stinson — Taylor — Williams --30

Paired Members — Députés « Pairés »

Anderson — Arseneault — Assadourian — Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) — Bethel — Crête — Cullen — Dalphond-Guiral — Daviault — Deshaies — Duceppe — Fillion — Finestone — Gagliano — Gauthier — Guay — Hanger — Lalonde — Landry — Lavigne (Beauharnois–Salaberry) — Lefebvre — Leroux (Richmond–Wolfe) — Mifflin — Peters — Robillard — St. Denis — Tremblay (Lac Saint-Jean) — Venne — Wells — Whelan

Accordingly, the Bill was referred to the Standing Committee on Agriculture and Agri-Food.

Pursuant to Standing Order 45, the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion of Mr. Irwin (Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development), seconded by Mr. Gerrard (Secretary of State (Science, Research and Development)(Western Economic Diversification)), — That Bill C–79, An Act to permit certain modifications in the application of the Indian Act to bands that desire them, be referred forthwith to the Standing Committee on Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:

(Division — Vote No 227)

Yeas — Pour

Members — Députés

Augustine — Bakopanos — Barnes — Bélanger — Bernier (Beauce) — Bertrand — Bevilacqua — Bodnar — Bonin — Boudria — Brown (Oakville–Milton) — Brushett — Bryden — Calder — Catterall — Chamberlain — Clancy — Cohen — Collenette — Collins — Comuzzi — Cowling — Crawford — Culbert — Cullen — DeVillers — Dhaliwal — Dion — Discepola — Dupuy — Easter — Eggleton — English — Fewchuk — Finlay — Flis — Fontana — Fry — Gaffney — Gagnon (Bonaventure–Îles-de-la-Madeleine) — Gallaway — Godfrey — Graham — Grose — Guarnieri — Harb — Harvard — Hopkins — Hubbard — Iftody — Irwin — Jackson — Keyes — Kilger (Stormont–Dundas) — Kirkby — Knutson — Kraft Sloan — Lastewka — Lavigne (Verdun–Saint-Paul) — Lee — Loney — MacAulay — MacDonald — MacLellan (Cape Breton–The Sydneys) — Malhi — Maloney — Manley — Marchi — Marleau — Massé — McCormick — McGuire — McKinnon — McLellan (Edmonton Northwest) — McTeague — McWhinney — Minna — Mitchell — Murphy — Murray — Nault — O’Brien (London–Middlesex) — Pagtakhan — Paradis — Parrish — Patry — Peric — Peterson — Pettigrew — Phinney — Pickard (Essex–Kent) — Proud — Reed — Regan — Richardson — Rideout — Robichaud — Robillard — Scott (Fredericton–York–Sunbury) — Simmons — Steckle — Stewart (Brant) — Szabo — Telegdi — Torsney — Ur — Valeri — Vanclief — Verran — Volpe — Wappel — Young — Zed --113

Nays — Contre

Members — Députés

Abbott — Asselin — Axworthy (Saskatoon–Clark’s Crossing) — Bachand — Bélisle — Bellehumeur — Benoit — Bergeron — Bernier (Mégantic–Compton–Stanstead) — Bhaduria — Breitkreuz (Yorkton–Melville) — Bridgman — Brien — Canuel — Chrétien (Frontenac) — Cummins — de Jong — de Savoye — Debien — Dubé — Dumas — Epp — Forseth — Frazer — Gagnon (Québec) — Godin — Gouk — Grey (Beaver River) — Grubel — Guimond — Hanger — Harper (Simcoe Centre) — Harris — Hart — Hermanson — Hill (Macleod) — Jacob — Kerpan — Langlois — Laurin — Lebel — Leblanc (Longueuil) — Leroux (Shefford) — Loubier — Marchand — Mayfield — McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) — Ménard — Mercier — Nunez — Paré — Penson — Picard (Drummond) — Plamondon — Rocheleau — Sauvageau — Schmidt — Solberg — Speaker — Stinson — Taylor — Tremblay (Rimouski–Témiscouata) — Tremblay (Rosemont) — Williams --64

Paired Members — Députés « Pairés »

Anderson — Arseneault — Assadourian — Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) — Bethel — Crête — Cullen — Dalphond-Guiral — Daviault — Deshaies — Duceppe — Fillion — Finestone — Gagliano — Gauthier — Guay — Hanger — Lalonde — Landry — Lavigne (Beauharnois–Salaberry) — Lefebvre — Leroux (Richmond–Wolfe) — Mifflin — Peters — Robillard — St. Denis — Tremblay (Lac Saint-Jean) — Venne — Wells — Whelan

Accordingly, the Bill was referred to the Standing Committee on Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development.

Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), papers deposited with the Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table as follows:

by Mr. Axworthy (Minister of Foreign Affairs) — Amendment to the Import Control List, pursuant to the Export and Import Permits Act, R. S. 1985, c. E–19, sbs. 5(2). — Sessional Paper No. 8560-352-175A. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade)

by Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance) — Report of the Canadian International Trade Tribunal entitled “Request for Tariff Relief by Venture III Industries Inc. regarding certain woven fabrics of synthetic filament yarns”, dated January 31, 1997, pursuant to the Canada-United States Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act, S. C. 1988, c. 65, s. 54. — Sessional Paper No. 8560-352-572AA. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Finance)

Petitions Filed with the Clerk of the House

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, a petition certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions was filed as follows:

  • by Mr. Charest (Sherbrooke), concerning the tax on gasoline (No. 352-1790).

Proceedings on Adjournment Motion

At 7:00 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 38(1), the question "That this House do now adjourn" was deemed to have been proposed.

After debate, the question was deemed to have been adopted.

Adjournment

At 7:15 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 10:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).