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House of Commons of Canada
35th Parliament, 2nd Session

Journals

No. 103
Wednesday, November 20, 1996
2:00 p.m.

Prayers

National Anthem

Statements by Members

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

Oral Questions

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

Ways and Means

Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance) laid upon the Table, — Notice of a Ways and Means motion to amend the Income Tax Act, the Income Tax Application Rules, the Bankruptcy and Insolvency Act, the Canada Pension Plan, the Children’s Special Allowances Act, the Cultural Property Export and Import Act, the Customs Act, the Employment Insurance Act, the Excise Tax Act, the Old Age Security Act, the Tax Court of Canada Act, the Tax Rebate Discounting Act, the Unemployment Insurance Act, the Western Grain Transition Payments Act and certain Acts related to the Income Tax Act. (Ways and Means Proceedings No. 10) — Sessional Paper No. 8570-352-10.

Pursuant to Standing Order 83(2), at the request of Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance), an Order of the Day was designated for the consideration of this Ways and Means motion.

Daily Routine of Business

Tabling of Documents

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Zed (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, — Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the following petitions:

  1. No. 352-1050 concerning the economy and employment. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-352-123A;
  2. Nos. 352-1069 and 352-1070 concerning sex offenders. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-352-2H.

Statements by Ministers

Pursuant to Standing Order 33(1), Mr. Axworthy (Minister of Foreign Affairs) made a statement.

Presenting Reports from Committees

Mr. Alcock (Winnipeg South), from the Standing Committee on Transport, presented the 3rd Report of the Committee (Bill C–44, An Act for making the system of Canadian ports competitive, efficient and commercially oriented, providing for the establishing of port authorities and the divesting of certain harbours and ports, for the commercialization of the St. Lawrence Seaway and ferry services and other matters related to maritime trade and transport and amending the Pilotage Act and amending and repealing other Acts as a consequence, with amendments). — Sessional Paper No. 8510-352-56.

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence (Issue No. 3, which includes this Report) was tabled.

Mr. Zed (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), from the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs, presented the 46th Report of the Committee, which was as follows:

The Committee recommends, pursuant to Standing Orders 104 and 114, the following change in the membership of the Standing Committee:

Agriculture and Agri-Food

Culbert for Gagnon (Bonaventure–Îles-de-la-Madeleine)
The Committee recommends, pursuant to Standing Orders 104 and 114, that the following Member be added to the list of Associate Members of the Standing Committee:

Health

Beaumier
The Committee further recommends, that where a Member is appointed as permanent member to a Committee in accordance with this report and to w hich he was previously appointed Associate Member, that the name of the Member be struck from the list of Associate Members of the said Committee.
A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence (Issue No. 2, which includes this Report) was tabled.

Introduction of Private Members’ Bills

Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Stinson (Okanagan–Shuswap), seconded by Mr. Schmidt (Okanagan Centre), Bill C–350, An Act to provide for a national referendum to authorize the government to negotiate terms of separation with a province that has voted for separation from Canada, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

Motions

Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe–Bagot), seconded by Mr. Bachand (Saint-Jean), moved, — That the 4th Report of the Standing Committee on Finance, presented on Thursday, October 31, 1996, be concurred in.

Debate arose thereon.

Mr. Bachand (Saint-Jean), seconded by Mrs. Dalphond-Guiral (Laval Centre), moved, — That the House do now adjourn.

The question was put on the motion and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division — Vote No 168)

Yeas — Pour

Members — Députés

Althouse — Asselin — Axworthy (Saskatoon–Clark’s Crossing) — Bachand — Bellehumeur — Bergeron — Bernier (Gaspé) — Bernier (Mégantic–Compton–Stanstead) — Breitkreuz (Yellowhead) — Breitkreuz (Yorkton–Melville) — Bridgman — Brien — Canuel — Crête — Cummins — Dalphond-Guiral — Daviault — de Savoye — Debien — Deshaies — Duceppe — Fillion — Forseth — Frazer — Gagnon (Québec) — Gauthier — Gilmour — Godin — Gouk — Grubel — Guimond — Harper (Calgary West) — Harper (Simcoe Centre) — Hart — Hayes — Hill (Macleod) — Hoeppner — Jennings — Johnston — Lalonde — Landry — Langlois — Laurin — Lebel — Leblanc (Longueuil) — Lefebvre — Loubier — Mayfield — Ménard — Mercier — Nunez — Penson — Picard (Drummond) — Ramsay — Rocheleau — Sauvageau — Schmidt — Scott (Skeena) — Solberg — Solomon — Speaker — St-Laurent — Stinson — Strahl — Taylor — Thompson — Tremblay (Lac Saint-Jean) — Tremblay (Rosemont) — Wayne — Williams --70

Nays — Contre

Members — Députés

Adams — Alcock — Allmand — Anawak — Arseneault — Assadourian — Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) — Baker — Barnes — Beaumier — Bélair — Bellemare — Bertrand — Bethel — Bevilacqua — Blondin-Andrew — Bodnar — Bonin — Brown (Oakville–Milton) — Byrne — Caccia — Calder — Campbell — Cannis — Catterall — Chamberlain — Cohen — Collenette — Collins — Comuzzi — Copps — Cowling — Crawford — Culbert — Cullen — DeVillers — Discepola — Dromisky — Duhamel — Easter — English — Finestone — Finlay — Flis — Fontana — Gaffney — Gagliano — Gagnon (Bonaventure–Îles-de-la-Madeleine) — Gallaway — Gerrard — Goodale — Graham — Grose — Guarnieri — Harb — Harper (Churchill) — Harvard — Hickey — Hopkins — Hubbard — Ianno — Irwin — Jackson — Jordan — Keyes — Kilger (Stormont–Dundas) — Kirkby — Knutson — Kraft Sloan — Lastewka — Lavigne (Verdun–Saint-Paul) — LeBlanc (Cape Breton Highlands–Canso) — Lee — Loney — MacAulay — Malhi — Maloney — Marleau — Martin (LaSalle–Émard) — Massé — McCormick — McGuire — McKinnon — McLellan (Edmonton Northwest) — McTeague — Mifflin — Murphy — Murray — Nault — Nunziata — O’Brien (Labrador) — O’Brien (London–Middlesex) — O’Reilly — Pagtakhan — Paradis — Payne — Peric — Peterson — Pettigrew — Phinney — Pillitteri — Reed — Regan — Richardson — Rideout — Robichaud — Robillard — Rock — Scott (Fredericton–York–Sunbury) — Shepherd — Sheridan — Simmons — Skoke — St. Denis — Szabo — Telegdi — Torsney — Ur — Valeri — Vanclief — Verran — Volpe — Walker — Whelan — Young — Zed --126

Paired Members — Députés « Pairés »

Anderson — Augustine — Bakopanos — Bélisle — Boudria — Caron — Chrétien (Frontenac) — Clancy — Dubé — Dumas — Dupuy — Guay — Lavigne (Beauharnois–Salaberry) — Leroux (Richmond–Wolfe) — Leroux (Shefford) — Paré — Parrish — Patry — Plamondon — Pomerleau — Proud — Speller — Stewart (Brant) — Venne — Wells — Wood


The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe–Bagot), seconded by Mr. Bachand (Saint-Jean), — That the 4th Report of the Standing Committee on Finance, presented on Thursday, October 31, 1996, be concurred in.

The Speaker having recognized another Member, pursuant to Standing Order 62, Mr. Williams (St. Albert), seconded by Mr. Speaker (Lethbridge), moved, — That Mr. Solberg (Medicine Hat) be now heard.

The question was put on the motion and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division — Vote No 169)

Yeas — Pour

Members — Députés

Althouse — Asselin — Bachand — Bellehumeur — Bergeron — Bernier (Gaspé) — Bernier (Mégantic–Compton–Stanstead) — Breitkreuz (Yellowhead) — Bridgman — Brien — Canuel — Crête — Cummins — Dalphond-Guiral — Daviault — de Savoye — Debien — Deshaies — Duceppe — Fillion — Forseth — Frazer — Gagnon (Québec) — Gilmour — Godin — Gouk — Guimond — Harper (Calgary West) — Harper (Simcoe Centre) — Hayes — Hoeppner — Jacob — Jennings — Johnston — Lalonde — Landry — Langlois — Laurin — Lebel — Leblanc (Longueuil) — Lefebvre — Loubier — Marchand — Mayfield — Mercier — Nunez — Penson — Picard (Drummond) — Ramsay — Rocheleau — Schmidt — Solberg — Solomon — Speaker — St-Laurent — Strahl — Taylor — Tremblay (Lac Saint-Jean) — Tremblay (Rosemont) — Wayne — Williams --61

Nays — Contre

Members — Députés

Adams — Alcock — Allmand — Anawak — Arseneault — Assadourian — Baker — Barnes — Beaumier — Bellemare — Bertrand — Bethel — Bevilacqua — Bodnar — Bonin — Brown (Oakville–Milton) — Byrne — Caccia — Calder — Campbell — Cannis — Catterall — Cohen — Collenette — Collins — Comuzzi — Copps — Cowling — Crawford — Culbert — Cullen — DeVillers — Discepola — Dromisky — Easter — English — Finestone — Finlay — Flis — Fontana — Gaffney — Gagliano — Gagnon (Bonaventure–Îles-de-la-Madeleine) — Gallaway — Gerrard — Goodale — Graham — Grose — Guarnieri — Harb — Harper (Churchill) — Harvard — Hickey — Hopkins — Hubbard — Ianno — Irwin — Jackson — Jordan — Keyes — Kilger (Stormont–Dundas) — Kirkby — Knutson — Kraft Sloan — Lastewka — Lavigne (Verdun–Saint-Paul) — LeBlanc (Cape Breton Highlands–Canso) — Lee — Loney — MacAulay — Malhi — Maloney — Marleau — Martin (LaSalle–Émard) — McCormick — McGuire — McKinnon — McLellan (Edmonton Northwest) — McTeague — Mifflin — Murphy — Murray — Nault — Nunziata — O’Brien (Labrador) — O’Brien (London–Middlesex) — O’Reilly — Pagtakhan — Paradis — Payne — Peric — Peterson — Pettigrew — Phinney — Pillitteri — Reed — Regan — Richardson — Rideout — Robichaud — Robillard — Rock — Scott (Fredericton–York–Sunbury) — Scott (Skeena) — Shepherd — Sheridan — Simmons — Skoke — St. Denis — Stinson — Szabo — Telegdi — Thompson — Torsney — Ur — Valeri — Vanclief — Verran — Volpe — Walker — Wappel — Whelan — Young — Zed --124

Paired Members — Députés « Pairés »

Anderson — Augustine — Bakopanos — Bélisle — Boudria — Caron — Chrétien (Frontenac) — Clancy — Dubé — Dumas — Dupuy — Guay — Lavigne (Beauharnois–Salaberry) — Leroux (Richmond–Wolfe) — Leroux (Shefford) — Paré — Parrish — Patry — Plamondon — Pomerleau — Proud — Speller — Stewart (Brant) — Venne — Wells — Wood


At 5:37 p.m., by unanimous consent, pursuant to Standing Order 45, the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion of Mr. Gagliano (Minister of Labour), seconded by Mr. MacAulay (Secretary of State (Veterans)(Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency)), — That Bill C–66, An Act to amend the Canada Labour Code (Part I) and the Corporations and Labour Unions Returns Act and to make consequential amendments to other Acts, be referred forthwith to the Standing Committee on Human Resources Development.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:

(Division — Vote No 170)

Yeas — Pour

Members — Députés

Adams — Alcock — Allmand — Anawak — Arseneault — Assadourian — Baker — Barnes — Beaumier — Bellemare — Bertrand — Bethel — Bevilacqua — Bodnar — Bonin — Breitkreuz (Yellowhead) — Breitkreuz (Yorkton–Melville) — Bridgman — Brown (Oakville–Milton) — Byrne — Caccia — Calder — Campbell — Cannis — Catterall — Cohen — Collenette — Collins — Comuzzi — Copps — Cowling — Crawford — Culbert — Cullen — Cummins — DeVillers — Discepola — Dromisky — Easter — English — Finestone — Finlay — Flis — Fontana — Forseth — Frazer — Gaffney — Gagliano — Gagnon (Bonaventure–Îles-de-la-Madeleine) — Gallaway — Gerrard — Gilmour — Goodale — Gouk — Graham — Grose — Guarnieri — Harb — Harper (Churchill) — Harper (Simcoe Centre) — Harvard — Hayes — Hickey — Hill (Macleod) — Hoeppner — Hopkins — Hubbard — Ianno — Irwin — Jackson — Jennings — Johnston — Jordan — Keyes — Kilger (Stormont–Dundas) — Kirkby — Knutson — Kraft Sloan — Lastewka — Lavigne (Verdun–Saint-Paul) — LeBlanc (Cape Breton Highlands–Canso) — Lee — Loney — MacAulay — Malhi — Maloney — Marleau — Martin (LaSalle–Émard) — Massé — Mayfield — McCormick — McGuire — McKinnon — McLellan (Edmonton Northwest) — McTeague — Mifflin — Murphy — Murray — Nault — Nunziata — O’Brien (Labrador) — O’Brien (London–Middlesex) — O’Reilly — Pagtakhan — Paradis — Payne — Penson — Peric — Peterson — Pettigrew — Phinney — Pillitteri — Ramsay — Reed — Regan — Richardson — Rideout — Robichaud — Robillard — Rock — Schmidt — Scott (Fredericton–York–Sunbury) — Scott (Skeena) — Shepherd — Sheridan — Simmons — Skoke — Solberg — Speaker — St. Denis — Stinson — Strahl — Szabo — Telegdi — Thompson — Torsney — Ur — Valeri — Vanclief — Verran — Volpe — Walker — Wappel — Wayne — Whelan — Williams — Young — Zed --148

Nays — Contre

Members — Députés

Althouse — Asselin — Bachand — Bellehumeur — Bergeron — Bernier (Gaspé) — Bernier (Mégantic–Compton–Stanstead) — Blaikie — Brien — Canuel — Crête — Dalphond-Guiral — Daviault — de Savoye — Debien — Deshaies — Duceppe — Fillion — Gagnon (Québec) — Godin — Guimond — Harper (Calgary West) — Jacob — Lalonde — Landry — Langlois — Laurin — Lebel — Leblanc (Longueuil) — Lefebvre — Loubier — Marchand — Ménard — Mercier — Nunez — Picard (Drummond) — Rocheleau — Solomon — St-Laurent — Taylor — Tremblay (Lac Saint-Jean) — Tremblay (Rosemont) --42

Paired Members — Députés « Pairés »

Anderson — Augustine — Bakopanos — Bélisle — Boudria — Caron — Chrétien (Frontenac) — Clancy — Dubé — Dumas — Dupuy — Guay — Lavigne (Beauharnois–Salaberry) — Leroux (Richmond–Wolfe) — Leroux (Shefford) — Paré — Parrish — Patry — Plamondon — Pomerleau — Proud — Speller — Stewart (Brant) — Venne — Wells — Wood

Accordingly the bill was referred to the Standing Committee on Human Resources Development.


Pursuant to Standing Order 45, the House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Rock (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada), seconded by Mr. Gerrard (Secretary of State (Science, Research and Development) (Western Economic Diversification)), moved, — That the amendments made by the Senate to Bill C–42, An Act to amend the Judges Act and to make consequential amendments to another Act, be now read a second time and concurred in.

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred division on the amendment of Mr. Williams (St. Albert), seconded by Mr. Ramsay (Crowfoot), — That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word “That” and substituting the following:

“a Message be sent to the Senate to acquaint their Honours that the House disagrees with the amendments made by the Senate to Bill C–42, An Act to amend the Judges Act and to make consequential amendments to another Act, since Amendment 1 places the Chairman of the Judicial Council in a conflict of interest and Amendment 2 has negatived the original intent of Bill C–42 to amend public policy and now introduces a waiver to s. 55 of the Judges Act for Madam Justice Louise Arbour which according to the House of Commons’ rules and practices is properly the subject matter of a Private Bill and thus should not be inserted in a Public Bill.”

The question was put on the amendment and it was negatived on the following division:

(Division — Vote No 171)

Yeas — Pour

Members — Députés

Breitkreuz (Yellowhead) — Breitkreuz (Yorkton–Melville) — Bridgman — Cummins — Forseth — Frazer — Gilmour — Gouk — Harper (Calgary West) — Harper (Simcoe Centre) — Hayes — Hill (Macleod) — Hoeppner — Jennings — Johnston — Mayfield — Penson — Ramsay — Schmidt — Scott (Skeena) — Solberg — Speaker — Stinson — Strahl — Thompson — Williams --26

Nays — Contre

Members — Députés

Adams — Alcock — Allmand — Althouse — Anawak — Arseneault — Assadourian — Asselin — Bachand — Baker — Barnes — Beaumier — Bellehumeur — Bellemare — Bergeron — Bernier (Gaspé) — Bernier (Mégantic–Compton–Stanstead) — Bertrand — Bethel — Bevilacqua — Blaikie — Bodnar — Bonin — Brien — Brown (Oakville–Milton) — Byrne — Caccia — Calder — Campbell — Cannis — Canuel — Catterall — Cohen — Collenette — Collins — Comuzzi — Copps — Cowling — Crawford — Crête — Culbert — Cullen — Dalphond-Guiral — Daviault — de Savoye — Debien — Deshaies — DeVillers — Discepola — Dromisky — Duceppe — Easter — English — Fillion — Finestone — Finlay — Flis — Fontana — Gaffney — Gagliano — Gagnon (Bonaventure–Îles-de-la-Madeleine) — Gagnon (Québec) — Gallaway — Gerrard — Godin — Goodale — Graham — Grose — Guarnieri — Guimond — Harb — Harper (Churchill) — Harvard — Hickey — Hopkins — Hubbard — Ianno — Irwin — Jackson — Jacob — Jordan — Keyes — Kilger (Stormont–Dundas) — Kirkby — Knutson — Kraft Sloan — Lalonde — Landry — Langlois — Lastewka — Laurin — Lavigne (Verdun–Saint-Paul) — Lebel — LeBlanc (Cape Breton Highlands–Canso) — Leblanc (Longueuil) — Lee — Lefebvre — Loney — Loubier — MacAulay — Malhi — Maloney — Marchand — Marleau — Martin (LaSalle–Émard) — Massé — McCormick — McGuire — McKinnon — McLellan (Edmonton Northwest) — McTeague — Ménard — Mercier — Mifflin — Murphy — Murray — Nault — Nunez — Nunziata — O’Brien (Labrador) — O’Brien (London–Middlesex) — O’Reilly — Pagtakhan — Paradis — Payne — Peric — Peterson — Pettigrew — Phinney — Picard (Drummond) — Pillitteri — Reed — Regan — Richardson — Rideout — Robichaud — Robillard — Rocheleau — Rock — Scott (Fredericton–York–Sunbury) — Shepherd — Sheridan — Simmons — Skoke — Solomon — St-Laurent — St. Denis — Szabo — Taylor — Telegdi — Torsney — Tremblay (Lac Saint-Jean) — Tremblay (Rosemont) — Ur — Valeri — Vanclief — Verran — Volpe — Walker — Wappel — Wayne — Whelan — Young — Zed --164

Paired Members — Députés « Pairés »

Anderson — Augustine — Bakopanos — Bélisle — Boudria — Caron — Chrétien (Frontenac) — Clancy — Dubé — Dumas — Dupuy — Guay — Lavigne (Beauharnois–Salaberry) — Leroux (Richmond–Wolfe) — Leroux (Shefford) — Paré — Parrish — Patry — Plamondon — Pomerleau — Proud — Speller — Stewart (Brant) — Venne — Wells — Wood

Private Members’ Business

At 5:45 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(7), the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members’ Business.

Mr. Blaikie (Winnipeg Transcona), seconded by Mr. Solomon (Regina–Lumsden), moved, — That, in the opinion of this House, the government should consider the advisability of amending Canada’s system of arms export controls by requiring that export permits for military products be granted only after the Department of Foreign Affairs has conducted and tabled in the House of Commons a Security Impact Assessment determining that the proposed export will enhance international security. (Private Members’ Business M–290)

Debate arose thereon.

Pursuant to Standing Order 96(1), the Order was dropped from the Order Paper.

Proceedings on Adjournment Motion

At 6:40 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 38(1), the question “That this House do now adjourn" was deemed to have been proposed.

After debate, the question was deemed to have been adopted.

Adjournment

At 6:47 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 10:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).