HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
35^TH PARLIAMENT, 1^st SESSION

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JOURNALS

No. 071

Wednesday, May 25, 1994

2:00 p.m.

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PRAYERS

STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

ORAL QUESTIONS

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS

Tabling of Documents

Mrs. Stewart (Secretary of State (Latin America and Africa)), laid upon the Table, -- Document entitled ``Report of the Canadian Observer Mission to South Africa''. -- Sessional Paper No. 8530-351-9.

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Mr. Dingwall (Minister of Public Works and Government Services), laid upon the Table, -- Documents entitled ``Audit Report of the Canada Communication Group'' and Audit Action Plan. -- Sessional Paper No. 8530-351-10.

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Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), for Mr. Anderson (Minister of National Revenue), laid upon the Table, -- Government response, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to petition No. 351-0190 concerning tobacco. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-351-36.

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Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), for Mr. MacLaren (Minister for International Trade), laid upon the Table, -- Government response, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to petition No. 351-0189 concerning tobacco. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-351-33A.

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Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), for Mr. Rock (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada), laid upon the Table, -- Government response, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to petition No. 351-0176 concerning Indian affairs. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-351-35.

Statements by Ministers

Pursuant to Standing Order 33(1), Mrs. Stewart (Secretary of State (Latin America and Africa)) made a statement.

Pursuant to Standing Order 33(1), Mr. Dingwall (Minister of Public Works and Government Services) made a statement.

Presenting Reports from Committees

Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), from the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs, presented the 22nd Report of the Committee, which was as follows:

Your Committee recommends that the following Member be added to the list of Associate Members of the Standing Committee on Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development:

Harris

A copy of the relevant Minutes and Proceedings and Evidence (Issue No. 12 which includes this Report) was tabled.

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Mr. Campbell (St. Paul's), for Mr. Peterson (Willowdale), from the Standing Committee on Finance, presented the 6th Report of the Committee (Bill C-17, An Act to amend certain statutes to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on February 22, 1994, without amendment). -- Sessional Paper No. 8510-351-11.

A copy of the relevant Minutes and Proceedings and Evidence (Issue No. 46 which includes this Report) was tabled.

Motions

By unanimous consent, it was ordered, -- That the 22nd Report of the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs, presented earlier today, be concurred in.

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By unanimous consent, it was ordered, -- That three Members of the Standing Committee on Public Accounts and one staff person be authorized to travel to Charlottetown, Prince Edward Island, from July 10 to 13, 1994, to attend the 16th Annual Conference of the Canadian Council of Public Accounts Committees.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

-- by Mr. Peric (Cambridge), one concerning the Canadian Human Rights Act (No. 351-0293);

-- by Mr. Sauvageau (Terrebonne), two concerning immigration (Nos. 351-0294 and 351-0295);

-- by Mrs. Barnes (London West), one concerning material depicting violence (No. 351-0296);

-- by Mr. Wappel (Scarborough West), one concerning the establishment of a witness and informant protection program (No. 351-0297), one concerning abortion (No. 351-0298) and one concerning the Canadian Human Rights Act (No. 351-0299);

-- by Mr. Calder (Wellington -- Grey -- Dufferin -- Simcoe), one concerning renewable alternative energy sources (No. 351-0300) and one concerning material depicting violence (No. 351-0301).

Questions on Order Paper

Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) presented the answer to question Q-35 on the Order Paper.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The Order was read for the consideration of a Ways and Means motion to Amend the Excise Tax Act, the Excise Act and the Income Tax Act (Sessional Paper No. 8570-351-14), notice of which was laid upon the Table on Tuesday, May 24, 1994. (Ways and Means Proceedings No. 14)

Mr. Dingwall (Minister of Public Works and Government Services), for Mr. Peters (Secretary of State (International Financial Institutions)), seconded by Mr. Goodale (Minister of Agriculture and Agri-Food), moved, -- That the motion be concurred in.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to.

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The House resumed debate on the motion of Mr. Axworthy (Minister of Human Resources Development), seconded by Mr. Gerrard (Secretary of State (Science, Research and Development)), -- That Bill C-28, An Act respecting the making of loans and the provision of other forms of financial assistance to students, to amend and provide for the repeal of the Canada Student Loans Act, and to amend one other Act in consequence thereof, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Human Resources Development.

Debate continued.

The question was put on the motion and, pursuant to Standing Order 45(5)(a), the recorded division was deferred until later today at 5:30 p.m.

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The Order was read for the second reading and reference to the Standing Committee on Finance of Bill C-27, An Act to amend the Income Tax Act, the Income Tax Application Rules, the Canada Pension Plan, the Canada Business Corporations Act, the Excise Tax Act, the Unemployment Insurance Act and certain related Acts.

Mr. Goodale (Minister of Agriculture and Agri-Food), for Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance), seconded by Mr. Manley (Minister of Industry), moved, -- That the Bill be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Finance.

Debate arose thereon.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to.

Accordingly, the Bill was read a second time and, by unanimous consent, referred to a Committee of the Whole.

The Committee considered the Bill and reported it without amendment.

Pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(12), Mr. Goodale (Minister of Agriculture and Agri-Food), for Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance), seconded by Mr. Robichaud (Secretary of State (Parliamentary Affairs)), moved, -- That the Bill be concurred in at report stage.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to.

Accordingly, the Bill was concurred in at report stage.

By unanimous consent, the Order was read for the third reading of Bill C-27, An Act to amend the Income Tax Act, the Income Tax Application Rules, the Canada Pension Plan, the Canada Business Corporations Act, the Excise Tax Act, the Unemployment Insurance Act and certain related Acts.

Mr. Goodale (Minister of Agriculture and Agri-Food), for Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance), seconded by Mr. Robichaud (Secretary of State (Parliamentary Affairs)), moved, -- That the Bill be now read a third time and do pass.

Debate arose thereon.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to.

Accordingly, the Bill was read the third time and pass.

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Pursuant to Standing Order 45(5)(a), the House proceeded to the deferred division on the motion of Mr. Laurin (Joliette), seconded by Mr. Guimond (Beauport -- Montmorency -- Orléans), -- That, in the opinion of this House, the government should immediately take the required measures to authorize the construction of a high-speed train (HST) linking the cities of Windsor and Quebec City, as well as the necessary infrastructure. (Private Members' Business M-112)

The question was put on the motion and it was negatived on the following division: .YEA41 -- Asselin -- Axworthy (Saskatoon -- Clark's Crossing) -- Bachand -- Bellehumeur -- Bergeron -- Bernier (Gaspé) -- Bernier (Mégantic -- Compton -- Stanstead) -- Bouchard -- Brien -- Bélisle -- Caccia -- Canuel -- Caron -- Chrétien (Frontenac) -- Crête -- Daviault -- Debien -- de Savoye -- Dubé -- Duceppe -- Dumas -- Fillion -- Gauthier (Roberval) -- Godin -- Guay -- Lalonde -- Landry -- Langlois -- Laurin -- Lavigne (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- Lebel -- Lefebvre -- Leroux (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- Loubier -- Marchand -- McLaughlin -- Mercier -- Milliken -- Ménard -- Nunez -- O'Reilly -- Paré -- Picard (Drummond) -- Péloquin -- Rocheleau -- Sauvageau -- St-Laurent -- Tremblay (Rimouski -- Témiscouata) -- 48

-- Dalphond-Guiral -- Deshaies -- Discepola -- Guimond -- Hickey -- Hopkins -- Jacob -- Leroux (Shefford) -- MacAulay -- Mills (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Ouellet -- Plamondon -- Pomerleau -- Rompkey -- Terrana -- Venne -- Wayne -- Wood -- Young -- de Jong

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Pursuant to Standing Order 45(5)(a), the House proceeded to the deferred division on the motion of Mr. Axworthy (Minister of Human Resources Development), seconded by Mr. Gerrard (Secretary of State (Science, Research and Development)), -- That Bill C-28, An Act respecting the making of loans and the provision of other forms of financial assistance to students, to amend and provide for the repeal of the Canada Student Loans Act, and to amend one other Act in consequence thereof, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Human Resources Development.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:

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(Division--Vote N^o 42)

YEAS-POUR

Members--Députés

-- Abbott -- Ablonczy -- Adams -- Alcock -- Allmand -- Anawak -- Augustine -- Axworthy (Winnipeg South Centre) -- Baker -- Barnes -- Bellemare -- Benoit -- Bethel -- Bevilacqua -- Bhaduria -- Blondin-Andrew -- Bodnar -- Bonin -- Boudria -- Breitkreuz (Yellowhead) -- Breitkreuz (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Bridgman -- Brown (Calgary Southeast) -- Brown (Oakville -- Milton) -- Brushett -- Bryden -- Bélair -- Caccia -- Calder -- Campbell -- Cannis -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chamberlain -- Chatters -- Clancy -- Cohen -- Collins -- Copps -- Crawford -- Cummins -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Dingwall -- Duhamel -- Dupuy -- Easter -- Eggleton -- English -- Epp -- Fewchuk -- Finestone -- Finlay -- Flis -- Fontana -- Gaffney -- Gagliano -- Gallaway -- Gauthier (Ottawa -- Vanier) -- Gerrard -- Goodale -- Gray (Windsor West) -- Grey (Beaver River) -- Grose -- Guarnieri -- Hanger -- Hanrahan -- Harb -- Harper (Calgary West) -- Harper (Churchill) -- Harper (Simcoe Centre) -- Harvard -- Hayes -- Hermanson -- Hoeppner -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Irwin -- Jackson -- Jennings -- Johnston -- Kerpan -- Keyes -- Kirkby -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lastewka -- Lavigne (Verdun -- Saint-Paul) -- LeBlanc (Cape Breton Highlands -- Canso) -- Lee -- MacDonald -- MacLellan (Cape Breton -- The Sydneys) -- Maheu -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Marleau -- Martin (LaSalle -- Émard) -- Massé -- Mayfield -- McClelland (Edmonton Southwest) -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKinnon -- McLellan (Edmonton Northwest) -- McTeague -- McWhinney -- Meredith -- Milliken -- Mills (Red Deer) -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murphy -- O'Brien -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Parrish -- Patry -- Payne -- Penson -- Peric -- Peters -- Peterson -- Pickard (Essex -- Kent) -- Reed -- Regan -- Ringma -- Ringuette-Maltais -- Robichaud -- Rock -- Schmidt -- Scott (Fredericton -- York Sunbury) -- Sheridan -- Simmons -- Solberg -- Speller -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stewart (Brant) -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Thalheimer -- Thompson -- Tobin -- Torsney -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Volpe -- Walker -- Wappel -- Wells -- Whelan -- White (North Vancouver) -- Williams -- Zed -- 156

NAYS-CONTRE

Members--Députés

-- Asselin -- Axworthy (Saskatoon -- Clark's Crossing) -- Bachand -- Bellehumeur -- Bergeron -- Bernier (Gaspé) -- Bernier (Mégantic -- Compton -- Stanstead) -- Bouchard -- Brien -- Bélisle -- Canuel -- Caron -- Chrétien (Frontenac) -- Crête -- Daviault -- Debien -- de Savoye -- Dubé -- Duceppe -- Dumas -- Fillion -- Gagnon (Québec) -- Gauthier (Roberval) -- Godin -- Guay -- Lalonde -- Landry -- Langlois -- Laurin -- Lavigne (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- Lebel -- Lefebvre -- Leroux (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- Loubier -- Marchand -- McLaughlin -- Mercier -- Ménard -- Nunez -- Paré -- Picard (Drummond) -- Péloquin -- Rocheleau -- Sauvageau -- St-Laurent -- Tremblay (Rimouski -- Témiscouata) -- 46

Paired Members--Députés Pairés

-- Bakopanos -- Bhaduria -- Charest -- Collenette -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Deshaies -- Discepola -- Guimond -- Hickey -- Hopkins -- Jacob -- Leroux (Shefford) -- MacAulay -- Mills (Broadview -- Greenwood) -- Ouellet -- Plamondon -- Pomerleau -- Rompkey -- Terrana -- Venne -- Wayne -- Wood -- Young -- de Jong

Accordingly, the Bill was read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Human Resources Development.

PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS

At 6:10 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(7), the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members' Business.

The House resumed debate on the motion of Mrs. Jennings (Mission -- Coquitlam), seconded by Mr. McClelland (Edmonton Southwest), -- That, in the opinion of this House, the government should permit Members of the House of Commons to fully represent their constituents' views on the government's legislative program and spending plans by adopting the position that the defeat of any government measure, including a spending measure, shall not automatically mean the defeat of the government unless followed by the adoption of a formal motion. (Private Members' Business M-89)

Debate continued.

Mr. Boudria (Glengarry -- Prescott -- Russell), seconded by Mr. Bonin (Nickel Belt), moved the following amendment, -- That the motion be amended by adding after the word ``should'' the following:

``continue to''.

Debate arose thereon.

Pursuant to Standing Order 93, the time provided for consideration of Private Members' Business expired and the Order was dropped to the bottom of the order of precedence on the Order Paper.

MESSAGES FROM THE SENATE

A Message was received from the Senate informing this House that the Senate passed Bill C-18, An Act to suspend the operation of the Electoral Boundaries Readjustment Act, with the following amendments:

1. Page 1, clause 2: Strike out lines 7 to 16 and substitute the following:

``2. (1) The operation of subsection 20(2) and sections 21 to 28 of the Electoral Boundaries Readjustment Act is suspended until such time as Parliament makes other provision in respect of those sections.

(2) If no other provision is made in respect of subsection 20(2) and sections 21 to 28 of the Electoral Boundaries Readjustment Act before the sixth day of February, 1995, that subsection and those sections cease to be suspended and are in force subject to this Act.''

2. Page 1, clause 3: Strike out lines 17 to 21 and substitute the following:

``3. An electoral boundaries commission established pursuant to section 3 of the Electoral Boundaries Readjustment Act following the decennial census of Canada in 1991 is temporarily discharged of its duties from the day on which it transmits its completed report to the Chief Electoral Officer as required under subsection 20(1) of the Electoral Boundaries Readjustment Act, or the day on which this Act comes into force, whichever is the later, until the day on which subsection 20(2) and sections 21 to 28 of the Electoral Boundaries Readjustment Act cease to be suspended by virtue of subsection 2(2) of this Act.''

3. Page 1, clause 4: Strike out lines 22 to 32 and substitute the following:

``4. In the event that subsection 20(2) and sections 21 to 28 of the Electoral Boundaries Readjustment Act cease to be suspended by virtue of subsection 2(2) of this Act, sections 21 to 24 of that Act apply, with such modifications as the circumstances require, in respect of the reports of the electoral boundaries commissions.''

RETURNS AND REPORTS DEPOSITED WITH THE CLERK OF THE HOUSE

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), the following paper, having been deposited with the Clerk of the House, was laid upon the Table:

By the Speaker, -- Amendments to the By-laws adopted by the Board of Internal Economy of the House of Commons, March 22 and April 26, 1994, pursuant to subsection 52.5(2) of the Parliament of Canada Act, Chapter C-20, Statutes of Canada, 1991. -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-351-324B.

ADJOURNMENT

At 7:10 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 10:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).