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HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
35TH PARLIAMENT, 1st SESSION


JOURNALS

No. 194

Thursday, May 4, 1995

10:00 a.m.



PRAYERS

DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS

Tabling of Documents

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, -- Government response, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to petition No. 351-2449 concerning the parole system. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-351-10S.


Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Government House Leader in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, -- Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to petitions Nos. 351-1880, 351-2492 to 351-2497, 351-2719, 351-2720, 351-2721, 351-2758 to 351-2761, 351-2762, 351-2773, 351-2774, 351-2791, 351-2795, 351-2799, 351-2810 to 351-2813, 351-2816, 351-2845 to 351-2847 and 351-2852 concerning gun control. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-351-16O.


Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, -- Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to petitions Nos. 351-2563 to 351-2566, 351-2601, 351-2607, 351-2636 and 351-2833 concerning abortion. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-351-30GG.


Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, -- Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to petitions Nos. 351-2561, 351-2562, 351-2574, 351-2598, 351-2599, 351-2603, 351-2625, 351-2626, 352-2632, 351-2637 and 351-2840 concerning euthanasia. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-351-50W.

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, -- Government response, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to petition No. 351-2841 concerning capital punishment. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-351-94B.


Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, -- Government response, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to petition No. 351-2193 concerning sex offenders. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-351-118.

Presenting Reports from Committees

Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), from the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs, presented the 75th Report of the Committee (Vote 5 under PARLIAMENT and Vote 20 under PRIVY COUNCIL. -- Main Estimates 1995-96). -- Sessional Paper No. 8510-351-98.

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence (Issue No. 50, which includes this Report) was tabled.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

-- by Mr. Milliken (Kingston and the Islands), one concerning sentences in the Criminal Code (No. 351-3027);

-- by Mr. McClelland (Edmonton Southwest), one concerning a pardon for Mr. Robert Latimer (No. 351-3028);

-- by Mr. Jordan (Leeds -- Grenville), one concerning abortion (No. 351-3029) and one concerning euthanasia (No. 351-3030);

-- by Mrs. Hayes (Port Moody -- Coquitlam), two concerning government spending (Nos. 351-3031 and 351-3032), two concerning euthanasia (Nos. 351-3033 and 351-3034) and one concerning abortion (No. 351-3035);

-- by Mr. Crawford (Kent), one concerning sexual orientation (No. 351-3036);

-- by Mrs. Jennings (Mission -- Coquitlam), five concerning the Divorce Act (Nos. 351-3037 to 351-3041);

-- by Mr. Williams (St. Albert), one concerning euthanasia (No. 351-3042);

-- by Mr. Solomon (Regina -- Lumsden), one concerning euthanasia (No. 351-3043) and one concerning the Senate (No. 351-3044);

-- by Mr. Serré (Timiskaming -- French River), four concerning the mining industry (Nos. 351-3045 to 351-3048);

-- by Mr. Assadourian (Don Valley North), one concerning the Armenian genocide (No. 351-3049);

-- by Mr. Blaikie (Winnipeg Transcona), two concerning the Canadian Human Rights Act (Nos. 351-3050 and 351-3051).

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The Order was read for the second reading and reference to the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs of Bill C-85, An Act to amend the Members of Parliament Retiring Allowances Act and to provide for the continuation of a certain provision.

Mr. Eggleton (President of the Treasury Board), seconded by Mr. Anderson (Minister of National Revenue), moved, -- That the Bill be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs.

Debate arose thereon.

Miss Grey (Beaver River), seconded by Mrs. Hayes (Port Moody -- Coquitlam), moved the following amendment, -- That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word ``That'' and substituting the following:

    ``Bill C-85, An Act to amend the Members of Parliament Retiring Allowances Act and to provide for the continuation of a certain provision, be not now read a second time but that the Order be discharged, the Bill withdrawn and the subject-matter thereof referred to the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs.''

Debate arose thereon.


The attention of the Speaker was drawn to the want of a quorum.

Accordingly, a count of the House was taken and there were less than 20 Members present.

At 12:18 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 29(3), the Bells were sounded to call in the Members.

At 12:24 p.m., a quorum was found and the Speaker ordered the ringing of the Bells stopped.


The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Eggleton (President of the Treasury Board), seconded by Mr. Anderson (Minister of National Revenue), -- That Bill C-85, An Act to amend the Members of Parliament Retiring Allowances Act and to provide for the continuation of a certain provision, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs;

And of the amendment of Miss Grey (Beaver River), seconded by Mrs. Hayes (Port Moody -- Coquitlam).

The debate continued.


The attention of the Speaker was drawn to the want of a quorum.

Accordingly, a count of the House was taken and there were less than 20 Members present.

At 12:25 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 29(3), the Bells were sounded to call in the Members.

At 12:26 p.m., a quorum was found and the Speaker ordered the ringing of the Bells stopped.


The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Eggleton (President of the Treasury Board), seconded by Mr. Anderson (Minister of National Revenue), -- That Bill C-85, An Act to amend the Members of Parliament Retiring Allowances Act and to provide for the continuation of a certain provision, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs;

And of the amendment of Miss Grey (Beaver River), seconded by Mrs. Hayes (Port Moody -- Coquitlam).

The debate continued.


The attention of the Speaker was drawn to the want of a quorum.

Accordingly, a count of the House was taken and there were less than 20 Members present.

At 12:45 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 29(3), the Bells were sounded to call in the Members.

At 12:46 p.m., a quorum was found and the Speaker ordered the ringing of the Bells stopped.


The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Eggleton (President of the Treasury Board), seconded by Mr. Anderson (Minister of National Revenue), -- That Bill C-85, An Act to amend the Members of Parliament Retiring Allowances Act and to provide for the continuation of a certain provision, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs;

And of the amendment of Miss Grey (Beaver River), seconded by Mrs. Hayes (Port Moody -- Coquitlam).

The debate continued.

STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

ORAL QUESTIONS

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Eggleton (President of the Treasury Board), seconded by Mr. Anderson (Minister of National Revenue), -- That Bill C-85, An Act to amend the Members of Parliament Retiring Allowances Act and to provide for the continuation of a certain provision, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs;

And of the amendment of Miss Grey (Beaver River), seconded by Mrs. Hayes (Port Moody -- Coquitlam).

The debate continued.

MOTIONS

By unanimous consent, Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), seconded by Mr. Boudria (Glengarry -- Prescott -- Russell), moved, -- That the Subcommittee on Aboriginal Education (composed of five Members) of the Standing Committee on Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development be authorized to travel to Vancouver-Sechelt, Kuujuaq, Cornwall, Cape Breton, and Conne River from May 9 to June 3, 1995, and that a staff of three do acccompany the Subcommittee.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Eggleton (President of the Treasury Board), seconded by Mr. Anderson (Minister of National Revenue), -- That Bill C-85, An Act to amend the Members of Parliament Retiring Allowances Act and to provide for the continuation of a certain provision, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs.

And of the amendment of Miss Grey (Beaver River), seconded by Mrs. Hayes (Port Moody -- Coquitlam).

The debate continued.


Pursuant to Standing Order 26(1), Mr. Milliken (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), seconded by Mr. Bonin (Nickel Belt), moved, -- That the House continue to sit beyond the ordinary time of daily adjournment for the purpose of consideration of the second reading stage of Bill C-85, An Act to amend the Members of Parliament Retiring Allowances Act and to provide for the continuation of a certain provision.

The question was put on the motion and, less than 15 Members having risen to object, pursuant to Standing Order 26(2), the motion was adopted.


The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Eggleton (President of the Treasury Board), seconded by Mr. Anderson (Minister of National Revenue), -- That Bill C-85, An Act to amend the Members of Parliament Retiring Allowances Act and to provide for the continuation of a certain provision, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs.

And of the amendment of Miss Grey (Beaver River), seconded by Mrs. Hayes (Port Moody -- Coquitlam).

The debate continued.

Mr. Hermanson (Kindersley -- Lloydminster), seconded by Mr. Morrison (Swift Current -- Maple Creek -- Assiniboia), moved the following sub-amendment, -- That the amendment be amended by adding the words ``and that the Committee report back to the House no later than June 23, 1995''.

Debate arose thereon.

PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS

At 5:30 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(6), the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members' Business.

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mrs. Jennings (Mission -- Coquitlam), seconded by Mr. Epp (Elk Island), -- That Bill C-232, An Act to amend the Divorce Act (granting of access to, or custody of, a child to a grandparent), be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs.

The debate continued.

At 6:22 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 93, the Speaker interrupted the proceedings.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to.

Accordingly, the Bill was read the second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs.

GOVERNMENT ORDERS

Pursuant to Order made earlier today, the House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Eggleton (President of the Treasury Board), seconded by Mr. Anderson (Minister of National Revenue), -- That Bill C-85, An Act to amend the Members of Parliament Retiring Allowances Act and to provide for the continuation of a certain provision, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs;

And of the amendment of Miss Grey (Beaver River), seconded by Mrs. Hayes (Port Moody -- Coquitlam);

And of the sub-amendment of Mr. Hermanson (Kindersley -- Lloydminster), seconded by Mr. Morrison (Swift Current -- Maple Creek -- Assiniboia).

The debate continued.

The question was put on the sub-amendment and it was agreed to.

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Eggleton (President of the Treasury Board), seconded by Mr. Anderson (Minister of National Revenue), -- That Bill C-85, An Act to amend the Members of Parliament Retiring Allowances Act and to provide for the continuation of a certain provision, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs.

And of the amendment, as amended, of Miss Grey (Beaver River), seconded by Mrs. Hayes (Port Moody -- Coquitlam), -- That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word ``That'' and substituting the following:

    ``Bill C-85, An Act to amend the Members of Parliament Retiring Allowances Act and to provide for the continuation of a certain provision, be not now read a second time but that the Order be discharged, the Bill withdrawn and the subject-matter thereof referred to the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs and that the Committee report back to the House no later than June 23, 1995.''

The debate continued.

The question was put on the amendment, as amended, and, pursuant to Standing Order 45(6), the recorded division was deferred until Monday, May 8, 1995, at the ordinary hour of daily ajournment.

RETURNS AND REPORTS DEPOSITED WITH THE CLERK OF THE HOUSE

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), a paper deposited with the Clerk of the House was laid upon the Table as follows:

-- by Mr. Ouellet (Minister of Foreign Affairs) -- Report on the operation of the Special Economic Measures (Haiti) Regulations, 1993, made by Orders in Council in 1993 and 1994, pursuant to subsection 7(9) of the Special Economic Measures Act, Chapter 17, Statutes of Canada, 1992. -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-351-495L. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade)

ADJOURNMENT

At 7:43 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 10:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).