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Minutes of Proceedings

44th Parliament, 1st Session
Meeting 75
Monday, October 16, 2023, 10:58 a.m. to 12:38 p.m.
Webcast
Presiding
Ron McKinnon, Chair (Liberal)

• Garnett Genuis for Eric Melillo (Conservative)
• Hon. Michelle Rempel Garner for Dane Lloyd (Conservative)
House of Commons
• Dancella Boyi, Legislative Clerk
• Philippe Méla, Legislative Clerk
 
Library of Parliament
• Sabrina Charland, Analyst
• Alexsandra Ferland, Analyst
Canada Border Services Agency
• Cathy Maltais, Director, Recourse Directorate
Civilian Review and Complaints Commission for the Royal Canadian Mounted Police
• Joanne Gibb, Senior Director, Strategic Operations and Policy Directorate
• Lesley McCoy, General Counsel
Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness
• Randall Koops, Director General, International Border Policy
• Martin Leuchs, Manager, Border Policy Division
• Deidre Pollard-Bussey, Director, Policing Policy
Royal Canadian Mounted Police
• Kathleen Clarkin, Director, National Recruiting Program
• Stéphane Drouin, Director General, Workplace Responsibility Branch, Professional Responsibility Sector
Pursuant to the order of reference of Friday, November 25, 2022, the committee resumed consideration of Bill C-20, An Act Establishing the Public Complaints and Review Commission and amending certain Acts and statutory instruments.

Motion

Jennifer O'Connell moved, — That the committee hold a meeting, immediately after the committee’s study of Bill C-20, on the rights of victims of crime and the security reclassification and transfer of offenders within Correctional Service Canada and that the committee invite the Commissioner of Correctional Service Canada, Anne Kelly; the Deputy Minister of Public Safety, Shawn Tupper; the Correctional Investigator; the Federal Ombudsman for Victims of Crime, Tim Danson; and officials from Justice and Public Safety Canada.

Debate arose thereon.

Amendment

Michelle Rempel Garner moved, — That the motion be amended by replacing the words “the committee hold a meeting, immediately after the committee’s study of Bill C-20, on the rights of victims of crime and the security reclassification and transfer of offenders within Correctional Service Canada and that the committee invite the Commissioner of Correctional Service Canada, Anne Kelly, the Deputy Minister of Public Safety, Shawn Tupper, the Correctional Investigator, the Federal Ombudsman for Victims of Crime, Tim Danson, and officials from Justice and Public Safety Canada.” with the following: the committee hold a minimum of three meetings, immediately after the committee’s study of Bill C-20 on Paul Bernardo’s transfer from a maximum-security prison to a medium-security prison, the rights of victims of crime and the security reclassification and transfer of offenders within federal corrections, provided that the committee invite the Minister of Public Safety to appear alone for no less than two hours, and the former Minister of Public Safety Marco Mendicino to appear alone for no less than two hours, the Commissioner of Correctional Service Canada, Anne Kelly, the Deputy Minister of Public Safety, Shawn Tupper, the Correctional Investigator, the Federal Ombudsperson for Victims of Crime, and representatives of the victims’ families, including Tim Danson, and that the committee report its findings to the House.

Debate arose thereon.

Subamendment

Garnett Genuis moved, — That the amendment be amended by adding after the words “the Commissioner of Correctional Service Canada, Anne Kelly,” the following: “Union of Canadian Correctional Officers” and by adding after the words “Tim Danson,” the following: “and representatives of victims of Pickering native Nicolas Baig, who stabbed his nine-month pregnant wife to death, was convicted of murder, given a life sentence and was transferred to a medium-security prison”.

Debate arose thereon.

The question was put on the subamendment of Garnett Genuis and it was negatived on the following recorded division:

YEAS: Eric Melillo, Glen Motz, Michelle Rempel Garner, Doug Shipley — 4;

NAYS: Chris Bittle, Iqwinder Gaheer, Peter Julian, Heath MacDonald, Kristina Michaud, Jennifer O'Connell, Peter Schiefke — 7.

The debate continued.

At 12:38 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.



Simon Larouche
Clerk of the committee