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Minutes of Proceedings
The Committee resumed consideration of the motion, as amended, of Matt Jeneroux, — That, pursuant to Standing Order 108(1)(a), the committee send for the following documents to be provided by the government by Monday, August 3, 2020 and that the documents be published publicly on the committee’s website by Monday, August 10, 2020:
All documents, briefing notes and memorandums, regarding the emerging evidence that altered the government’s advice on the wearing of masks referenced by Dr. Theresa Tam, Chief Public Health Officer, at her appearance before the Standing Committee on Health on Tuesday, May 19, 2020, including all documents, briefing notes, and memorandums to/from/between Health Canada, the Public Health Agency of Canada, the Minister of Health’s Office, the Privy Council and the Prime Minister's Office regarding the management of the National Emergency Strategic Stockpile from 2015-2020, including supply inventory broken down by number and all updates sent to the government and the Government of Canada’s contracts for personal protective equipment since January 2020.
Sonia Sidhu moved, — That the motion be amended by adding after the words “January 2020” the following: “, provided that the government does its assessment and vetting in gathering and releasing the documents as it would be done through the access to information process”.
Jenny Kwan moved, — That the amendment be modified by replacing all the words after, “provided that the” with the following: “Office of the Law Clerk and Parliamentary Counsel vet the documents for matters of cabinet confidence and national security as well as privacy pertaining to names and personal information”.
The question was put on the subamendment of Jenny Kwan and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:
YEAS: Luc Desilets, Tamara Jansen, Matt Jeneroux, Robert Kitchen, Jenny Kwan, Len Webber — 6;
NAYS: Darren Fisher, Helena Jaczek, Mike Kelloway, Sonia Sidhu, Tony Van Bynen — 5.
The Committee resumed consideration of the amendment of Sonia Sidhu, as amended, — ”, provided that the Office of the Law Clerk and Parliamentary Counsel vet the documents for matters of cabinet confidence and national security as well as privacy pertaining to names and personal information”.
After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Sonia Sidhu and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:
YEAS: Luc Desilets, Tamara Jansen, Matt Jeneroux, Robert Kitchen, Jenny Kwan, Len Webber — 6;
NAYS: Darren Fisher, Helena Jaczek, Mike Kelloway, Sonia Sidhu, Tony Van Bynen — 5.
The Committee resumed consideration of the motion, as amended.
Mike Kelloway moved, — That the motion be amended by replacing the dates “Monday, August 3, 2020" and "Monday, August 10, 2020” with the dates, ”Monday, August 31, 2020" and "Monday, September 7, 2020”, respectively.
After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Mike Kelloway and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:
YEAS: Luc Desilets, Darren Fisher, Helena Jaczek, Tamara Jansen, Matt Jeneroux, Mike Kelloway, Robert Kitchen, Jenny Kwan, Sonia Sidhu, Tony Van Bynen, Len Webber — 11;
NAYS: — 0.
The Committee resumed consideration of the motion, as amended.
Mike Kelloway moved, — That the motion be amended by deleting the words “the Minister of Health’s Office” and “the Prime Ministers Office”.
Tony Van Bynen moved, — That the amendment be modified by deleting the words “the Minister of Health’s Office”.
After debate, the question was put on the subamendment of Tony Van Bynen and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:
YEAS: Luc Desilets, Darren Fisher, Helena Jaczek, Mike Kelloway, Sonia Sidhu, Tony Van Bynen — 6;
NAYS: Tamara Jansen, Matt Jeneroux, Robert Kitchen, Jenny Kwan, Len Webber — 5.
The Committee resumed consideration of the amendment of Mike Kelloway, as amended, — That the motion be amended by deleting the words “Prime Minister's Office”.
After debate, the question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:
YEAS: Luc Desilets, Darren Fisher, Helena Jaczek, Mike Kelloway, Jenny Kwan, Sonia Sidhu, Tony Van Bynen — 7;
NAYS: Tamara Jansen, Matt Jeneroux, Robert Kitchen, Len Webber — 4.
The Committee resumed consideration of the motion, as amended.
Mike Kelloway moved, — That the motion be amended by deleting the words “Minister of Health’s Office”.
After debate, the question was put on the motion, as amended, and it was negatived on the following recorded division:
YEAS: Darren Fisher, Helena Jaczek, Mike Kelloway, Sonia Sidhu, Tony Van Bynen — 5;
NAYS: Luc Desilets, Tamara Jansen, Matt Jeneroux, Robert Kitchen, Jenny Kwan, Len Webber — 6.
The Committee resumed consideration of the motion, as amended.
Darren Fisher moved, — That the motion be amended by replacing the year “2015” with the year “2010”.
Robert Kitchen moved, — That the amendment be modified by replacing the word “2010” with the word “2005”.
After debate, the question was put on the subamendment of Robert Kitchen and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:
YEAS: Luc Desilets, Darren Fisher, Helena Jaczek, Tamara Jansen, Matt Jeneroux, Mike Kelloway, Robert Kitchen, Jenny Kwan, Sonia Sidhu, Tony Van Bynen, Len Webber — 11;
NAYS: — 0.
After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Darren Fisher, as amended, and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:
YEAS: Luc Desilets, Darren Fisher, Helena Jaczek, Tamara Jansen, Matt Jeneroux, Mike Kelloway, Robert Kitchen, Jenny Kwan, Sonia Sidhu, Tony Van Bynen, Len Webber — 11;
NAYS: — 0.
The Committee resumed consideration of the motion, as amended.
Helena Jaczek moved, — That the motion be amended by replacing the dates “Monday, August 31, 2020" and "Monday, September 7, 2020” with the dates “Wednesday, September 30, 2020" and "Wednesday, October 7, 2020” respectively.
By unanimous consent, it was agreed, — That the amendment of Ms. Jaczek apply only to the management of the National Emergency Strategic Stockpile from 2005-2020.
After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Helena Jaczek, as amended, and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:
YEAS: Luc Desilets, Darren Fisher, Helena Jaczek, Tamara Jansen, Matt Jeneroux, Mike Kelloway, Robert Kitchen, Jenny Kwan, Sonia Sidhu, Tony Van Bynen, Len Webber — 11;
NAYS: — 0.
The Committee resumed consideration of the motion, as amended.
After debate, the question was put on the motion, as amended, and it was agreed to on the following recorded division:
YEAS: Luc Desilets, Darren Fisher, Helena Jaczek, Mike Kelloway, Jenny Kwan, Sonia Sidhu, Tony Van Bynen — 7;
NAYS: Tamara Jansen, Matt Jeneroux, Robert Kitchen, Len Webber — 4.
The motion, as amended, read as follows:
That, pursuant to Standing Order 108(1)(a), the committee send for the following documents to be provided by the government by Monday, August 31, 2020 and that the documents be published publicly on the committee’s website by Monday, September 7 2020:
All documents, briefing notes and memorandums, regarding the emerging evidence that altered the government’s advice on the wearing of masks referenced by Dr. Theresa Tam, Chief Public Health Officer, at her appearance before the Standing Committee on Health on Tuesday, May 19, 2020, and that all documents, briefing notes and memorandums to/from/between Health Canada, the Public Health Agency of Canada, the Minister of Health’s Office and the Privy Council regarding the management of the National Emergency Strategic Stockpile from 2005 to 2020 be provided by the government by Wednesday, September 30, 2020 and that the documents be published publicly on the committee’s website by Wednesday, October 7, 2020, including supply inventory broken down by number and all updates sent to the government and the Government of Canada’s contracts for personal protective equipment since January 2020, provided that the Office of the Law Clerk and Parliamentary Counsel vet the documents for matters of cabinet confidence and national security as well as privacy related to names and personal information.
At 5:53 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.