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HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
37th PARLIAMENT, 1st SESSION


JOURNALS

No. 143

Monday, February 18, 2002

11:00 a.m.



Prayers

Private Members' Business

At 11:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(6), the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members' Business.

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Martin (Esquimalt--Juan de Fuca) , seconded by Mr. Gouk (Kootenay--Boundary--Okanagan) , — That Bill C-344, An Act to amend the Contraventions Act and the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act (marihuana), be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights.

The debate continued.

Mr. Maloney (Erie--Lincoln) , seconded by Mr. McGuire (Egmont) , moved the following amendment, — That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word ''That'' and substituting the following:

    “Bill C-344, An Act to amend the Contraventions Act and the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act (marihuana), be not now read a second time but that the Order be discharged, the Bill withdrawn, and the subject-matter thereof referred to the Special Committee on Non-Medical Use of Drugs.”.

Debate arose thereon.

Pursuant to Standing Order 93, the Order was dropped to the bottom of the order of precedence on the Order Paper.

Government Orders

The Order was read for the consideration at report stage of Bill C-5, An Act respecting the protection of wildlife species at risk in Canada, as reported by the Standing Committee on Environment and Sustainable Development with amendments.

Pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(5), the Speaker selected and grouped for debate the following motions:

    Group No. 1 — Motions Nos. 1, 12, 13, 28, 103 to 108, 111, 121 and 128.
    Group No. 2 — Motions Nos. 2, 11, 23, 35, 39, 44, 48 to 57, 67, 74, 78, 80, 84, 86, 90, 94 to 102, 112, 113 and 122.
    Group No. 3 — Motions Nos. 3 to 5, 7 to 10, 14, 15, 19, 30, 32, 34, 36, 66, 68 to 71, 73, 77, 79, 115, 119, 120 and 134 to 138.
    Group No. 4 — Motions Nos. 6, 16, 17, 20, 24, 25, 29, 72, 76, 114, 126, 127 and 130.
    Group No. 5 — Motions Nos. 18, 21, 22, 26, 27, 31, 33, 37, 38, 43, 75, 85, 109, 116 to 118, 129 and 131 to 133.


Group No. 1

Mr. Casson (Lethbridge) , seconded by Mr. Mills (Red Deer) , moved Motion No. 1, — That Bill C-5, in the preamble, be amended by replacing lines 22 to 24 on page 2 with the following:

    “landowners should be compensated for any financial or material losses to ensure that the costs of conserving species at risk are shared equitably by all Canadians,”

Mr. Mills (Red Deer) , seconded by Mr. Casson (Lethbridge) , moved Motion No. 12, — That Bill C-5, in Clause 6, be amended by replacing line 5 on page 8 with the following:

    “6. The purposes of this Act, to be pursued in a cost-effective manner, are to prevent”

Mr. Casson (Lethbridge) , seconded by Mr. Mills (Red Deer) , moved Motion No. 13, — That Bill C-5, in Clause 6, be amended by replacing line 5 on page 8 with the following:

    “6. The purposes of this Act, to be pursued in a manner consistent with the socio-economic interests of Canadians, are to prevent”

Mr. Burton (Skeena) , seconded by Mr. Reid (Lanark--Carleton) , moved Motion No. 28, — That Bill C-5, in Clause 11, be amended by adding after line 29 on page 11 the following:

    “(4) The agreement shall provide for fair and reasonable financial or material support, unless there is an agreement otherwise.”

Mr. Reid (Lanark--Carleton) , seconded by Mr. Burton (Skeena) , moved Motion No. 103, — That Bill C-5, in Clause 64, be amended by replacing lines 13 to 15 on page 36 with the following:

    “64.(1) The Minister shall, in accordance with the regulations, provide full, just and timely compensation to any person for losses”

Mr. Casson (Lethbridge) , seconded by Mr. Mills (Red Deer) , moved Motion No. 104, — That Bill C-5, in Clause 64, be amended by replacing line 13 on page 36 with the following:

    “64.(1) The Minister shall, in accordance”

Mr. Burton (Skeena) , seconded by Mr. Reid (Lanark--Carleton) , moved Motion No. 105, — That Bill C-5, in Clause 64, be amended by replacing lines 14 and 15 on page 36 with the following:

    “with the regulations, provide fair market value compensation to any person for losses”

Mr. Burton (Skeena) , seconded by Mr. Reid (Lanark--Carleton) , moved Motion No. 106, — That Bill C-5, in Clause 64, be amended by replacing line 15 on page 36 with the following:

    “ able compensation to any person for loss of use or enjoyment of property ”

Mr. Casson (Lethbridge) , seconded by Mr. Mills (Red Deer) , moved Motion No. 107, — That Bill C-5, in Clause 64, be amended by replacing line 15 on page 36 with the following:

    “able compensation to any person — including landowners, lessees and other persons affected by or having a legal interests in the property — for losses”

Mr. Casson (Lethbridge) , seconded by Mr. Mills (Red Deer) , moved Motion No. 108, — That Bill C-5, in Clause 64, be amended by replacing lines 16 and 17 on page 36 with the following:

    “suffered as a result of the application of”

Mr. Reid (Lanark--Carleton) , seconded by Mr. Burton (Skeena) , moved Motion No. 111, — That Bill C-5, in Clause 64, be amended by replacing line 36 on page 36 with the following:

    “sion of compensation, including rules for the recovery of reasonable legal and other costs arising as a result of the compensation claim.”

Mr. Mills (Red Deer) , seconded by Mr. Casson (Lethbridge) , moved Motion No. 121, — That Bill C-5, in Clause 97, be amended by deleting lines 21 to 26 on page 56.

Mr. Casson (Lethbridge) , seconded by Mr. Mills (Red Deer) , moved Motion No. 128, — That Bill C-5 be amended by adding after line 3 on page 69 the following new clause:

    “124.1 The Minister shall, in all circumstances, advise the affected landowner, lessee or land user of the location of a wildlife species or its habitat.”

Debate arose on the motions in Group No. 1.

Statements By Members

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

Oral Questions

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

Daily Routine Of Business

Tabling of Documents

The Speaker laid upon the Table, — Performance Report of the Library of Parliament for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2001. — Sessional Paper No. 8563-371-172.


Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Regan (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, — Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the following petitions:

— Nos. 371-0441, 371-0442, 371-0443, 371-0444, 371-0445 and 371-0446 concerning Remembrance Day. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-371-88-01;

— Nos. 371-0483, 371-0484, 371-0485, 371-0486 and 371-0487 concerning housing policy. — Sessional Paper No. 8545-371-64-02.

Presenting Reports from Inter-parliamentary Delegations

Pursuant to Standing Order 34(1), Mrs. Barnes (London West) presented the Report of the Canadian Branch of the Commonwealth Parliamentary Association (CPA) concerning its participation at the Inaugural Session of the Canadian Parliamentary Seminar, held in Ottawa, from November 18 to 24, 2001. — Sessional Paper No. 8565-371-53-10.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

— by Mr. Robinson (Burnaby--Douglas) , one concerning human rights in Nigeria (No. 371-0574);

— by Mr. Peric (Cambridge) , one concerning aboriginal affairs (No. 371-0575).

Government Orders

The House resumed consideration at report stage of Bill C-5, An Act respecting the protection of wildlife species at risk in Canada, as reported by the Standing Committee on Environment and Sustainable Development with amendments;

And of the motions in Group No. 1 (Motions Nos. 1, 12, 13, 28, 103 to 108, 111, 121 and 128).

The debate continued on the motions in Group No. 1.


Pursuant to Order made on Thursday, February 7, 2002, the House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance) , seconded by Mr. McCallum (Secretary of State (International Financial Institutions)) , — That Bill C-49, An Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on December 10, 2001, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Finance.

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the amendment of Mr. White (North Vancouver) , seconded by Mr. Casson (Lethbridge) , — That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word "That" and substituting the following:

    “Bill C-49, An Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on December 10, 2001, be not now read a second time but that it be read a second time this day six months hence.”.

The question was put on the amendment and it was negatived on the following division:

+

(Division No. 228 -- Vote No 228)

YEAS: 68, NAYS: 128

YEAS -- POUR
Abbott
Bailey
Bellehumeur
Bigras
Bourgeois
Breitkreuz
Brien
Brison
Burton
Cadman
Cardin
Casey
Chatters
Clark
Comartin
Desjarlais
Doyle
Duceppe
Duncan
Epp
Fitzpatrick
Forseth
Gagnon (Québec)
Gauthier
Girard-Bujold
Godin
Goldring
Gouk
Grewal
Grey
Hearn
Hill (Prince George--Peace River)
Hinton
Jaffer
Johnston
Keddy (South Shore)
Laframboise
Lalonde
Lanctôt
Lebel
Loubier
Marceau
McDonough
McNally
Meredith
Merrifield
Mills (Red Deer)
Moore
Nystrom
Pallister
Paquette
Penson
Picard (Drummond)
Rajotte
Reynolds
Ritz
Robinson
Sauvageau
Schmidt
Skelton
Sorenson
Stinson
Stoffer
Strahl
Thompson (New Brunswick Southwest)
Toews
Wasylycia-Leis
Wayne -- 68
NAYS -- CONTRE
Adams
Alcock
Allard
Anderson (Victoria)
Assad
Assadourian
Augustine
Bagnell
Barnes
Beaumier
Bélanger
Bellemare
Bennett
Bertrand
Bevilacqua
Binet
Blondin-Andrew
Bonin
Boudria
Bradshaw
Brown
Bryden
Bulte
Byrne
Caccia
Cannis
Carroll
Castonguay
Catterall
Chamberlain
Charbonneau
Coderre
Comuzzi
Copps
Cullen
Cuzner
DeVillers
Dhaliwal
Dion
Discepola
Dromisky
Drouin
Duplain
Easter
Eggleton
Eyking
Farrah
Finlay
Folco
Godfrey
Goodale
Graham
Guarnieri
Harb
Harvard
Harvey
Ianno
Jackson
Jennings
Jordan
Keyes
Kraft Sloan
Lastewka
LeBlanc
Leung
Lincoln
Longfield
MacAulay
Macklin
Malhi
Maloney
Manley
Marcil
Marleau
Martin (LaSalle--Émard)
Matthews
McCallum
McGuire
McKay (Scarborough East)
McLellan
McTeague
Minna
Mitchell
Murphy
Myers
Nault
Neville
O'Brien (London--Fanshawe)
O'Reilly
Owen
Pagtakhan
Paradis
Patry
Peric
Peschisolido
Peterson
Pickard (Chatham--Kent Essex)
Pillitteri
Pratt
Price
Provenzano
Redman
Reed (Halton)
Regan
Richardson
Robillard
Saada
Savoy
Scherrer
Scott
Sgro
Shepherd
Speller
St-Jacques
St. Denis
Szabo
Telegdi
Thibault (West Nova)
Thibeault (Saint-Lambert)
Tirabassi
Tonks
Valeri
Vanclief
Volpe
Wappel
Whelan
Wilfert
Wood -- 128
PAIRED -- PAIRÉS
Bachand (Saint-Jean)
Baker
Bergeron
Bonwick
Cotler
Crête
Dalphond-Guiral
Desrochers
Dubé
Fournier
Fry
Gagnon (Champlain)
Guay
Guimond
Hubbard
Kilgour (Edmonton Southeast)
Lee
Mahoney
McCormick
Ménard
Mills (Toronto--Danforth)
Normand
Parrish
Perron
Pettigrew
Plamondon
Rocheleau
Rock
Roy
Serré
St-Hilaire
Steckle
Torsney
Tremblay (Lac-Saint-Jean--Saguenay)
Tremblay (Rimouski-Neigette-et-la Mitis)
Ur

Pursuant to Order made Thursday, February 7, 2002, the question was put on the main motion and it was agreed to on the following division:

+-

(Division No. 229 -- Vote No 229)

YEAS: 128, NAYS: 69.

YEAS -- POUR
Adams
Alcock
Allard
Anderson (Victoria)
Assad
Assadourian
Augustine
Bagnell
Barnes
Beaumier
Bélanger
Bellemare
Bennett
Bertrand
Bevilacqua
Binet
Blondin-Andrew
Bonin
Boudria
Bradshaw
Brown
Bryden
Bulte
Byrne
Caccia
Cannis
Carroll
Castonguay
Catterall
Chamberlain
Charbonneau
Coderre
Comuzzi
Copps
Cullen
Cuzner
DeVillers
Dhaliwal
Dion
Discepola
Dromisky
Drouin
Duplain
Easter
Eggleton
Eyking
Farrah
Finlay
Folco
Godfrey
Goodale
Graham
Guarnieri
Harb
Harvard
Harvey
Ianno
Jackson
Jennings
Jordan
Keyes
Kraft Sloan
Lastewka
LeBlanc
Leung
Lincoln
Longfield
MacAulay
Macklin
Malhi
Maloney
Manley
Marcil
Marleau
Martin (LaSalle--Émard)
Matthews
McCallum
McGuire
McKay (Scarborough East)
McLellan
McTeague
Minna
Mitchell
Murphy
Myers
Nault
Neville
O'Brien (London--Fanshawe)
O'Reilly
Owen
Pagtakhan
Paradis
Patry
Peric
Peschisolido
Peterson
Pickard (Chatham--Kent Essex)
Pillitteri
Pratt
Price
Provenzano
Redman
Reed (Halton)
Regan
Richardson
Robillard
Saada
Savoy
Scherrer
Scott
Sgro
Shepherd
Speller
St-Jacques
St. Denis
Szabo
Telegdi
Thibault (West Nova)
Thibeault (Saint-Lambert)
Tirabassi
Tonks
Valeri
Vanclief
Volpe
Wappel
Whelan
Wilfert
Wood -- 128
NAYS -- CONTRE
Abbott
Bailey
Bellehumeur
Bigras
Bourgeois
Breitkreuz
Brien
Brison
Burton
Cadman
Cardin
Casey
Chatters
Clark
Comartin
Desjarlais
Doyle
Duceppe
Duncan
Epp
Fitzpatrick
Forseth
Gagnon (Québec)
Gauthier
Girard-Bujold
Godin
Goldring
Gouk
Grewal
Grey
Hearn
Herron
Hill (Prince George--Peace River)
Hinton
Jaffer
Johnston
Keddy (South Shore)
Laframboise
Lalonde
Lanctôt
Lebel
Loubier
Marceau
McDonough
McNally
Meredith
Merrifield
Mills (Red Deer)
Moore
Nystrom
Pallister
Paquette
Penson
Picard (Drummond)
Rajotte
Reynolds
Ritz
Robinson
Sauvageau
Schmidt
Skelton
Sorenson
Stinson
Stoffer
Strahl
Thompson (New Brunswick Southwest)
Toews
Wasylycia-Leis
Wayne -- 69
PAIRED -- PAIRÉS
Bachand (Saint-Jean)
Baker
Bergeron
Bonwick
Cotler
Crête
Dalphond-Guiral
Desrochers
Dubé
Fournier
Fry
Gagnon (Champlain)
Guay
Guimond
Hubbard
Kilgour (Edmonton Southeast)
Lee
Mahoney
McCormick
Ménard
Mills (Toronto--Danforth)
Normand
Parrish
Perron
Pettigrew
Plamondon
Rocheleau
Rock
Roy
Serré
St-Hilaire
Steckle
Torsney
Tremblay (Lac-Saint-Jean--Saguenay)
Tremblay (Rimouski-Neigette-et-la Mitis)
Ur

Accordingly, the Bill was read the second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Finance.

Private Members' Business

Pursuant to Standing Order 45, the House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion of Mr. Calder (Dufferin--Peel--Wellington--Grey) , seconded by Ms. Bulte (Parkdale--High Park) , — That Bill S-22, An Act to provide for the recognition of the Canadian Horse as the national horse of Canada, be now read a second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage.

The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following division:

-

(Division No. 230 -- Vote No 230)

YEAS: 150, NAYS: 42.

YEAS -- POUR
Abbott
Adams
Alcock
Allard
Anderson (Victoria)
Assad
Assadourian
Augustine
Bagnell
Barnes
Beaumier
Bélanger
Bellemare
Bennett
Bertrand
Bevilacqua
Binet
Blondin-Andrew
Bonin
Boudria
Bradshaw
Brison
Brown
Bryden
Bulte
Byrne
Caccia
Calder
Cannis
Carroll
Casey
Castonguay
Catterall
Chamberlain
Clark
Coderre
Comartin
Comuzzi
Copps
Cullen
Cuzner
DeVillers
Dhaliwal
Dion
Discepola
Doyle
Dromisky
Drouin
Duncan
Duplain
Easter
Eggleton
Eyking
Farrah
Finlay
Folco
Forseth
Godfrey
Goldring
Goodale
Graham
Grey
Guarnieri
Harb
Harvard
Harvey
Hearn
Herron
Hill (Prince George--Peace River)
Hinton
Ianno
Jackson
Jennings
Jordan
Keddy (South Shore)
Keyes
Kraft Sloan
Lastewka
LeBlanc
Leung
Lincoln
Longfield
MacAulay
Macklin
Malhi
Maloney
Manley
Marcil
Marleau
Martin (LaSalle--Émard)
Matthews
McCallum
McGuire
McKay (Scarborough East)
McLellan
McNally
McTeague
Meredith
Merrifield
Minna
Mitchell
Murphy
Myers
Nault
Neville
O'Brien (London--Fanshawe)
O'Reilly
Owen
Pagtakhan
Paradis
Patry
Peric
Peschisolido
Peterson
Pickard (Chatham--Kent Essex)
Pillitteri
Pratt
Price
Rajotte
Redman
Reed (Halton)
Regan
Robillard
Robinson
Saada
Savoy
Scherrer
Scott
Sgro
Shepherd
Speller
St-Jacques
St. Denis
Stoffer
Strahl
Szabo
Telegdi
Thibault (West Nova)
Thibeault (Saint-Lambert)
Thompson (New Brunswick Southwest)
Tirabassi
Valeri
Vanclief
Volpe
Wappel
Wasylycia-Leis
Wayne
Whelan
Wilfert
Wood -- 150
NAYS -- CONTRE
Bailey
Bellehumeur
Bigras
Bourgeois
Breitkreuz
Brien
Burton
Cadman
Cardin
Chatters
Desjarlais
Duceppe
Epp
Fitzpatrick
Gagnon (Québec)
Gauthier
Girard-Bujold
Godin
Gouk
Jaffer
Johnston
Laframboise
Lalonde
Lanctôt
Lebel
Loubier
Marceau
McDonough
Mills (Red Deer)
Moore
Nystrom
Pallister
Paquette
Penson
Picard (Drummond)
Ritz
Sauvageau
Schmidt
Skelton
Sorenson
Toews
Tonks -- 42
PAIRED -- PAIRÉS
Bachand (Saint-Jean)
Baker
Bergeron
Bonwick
Cotler
Crête
Dalphond-Guiral
Desrochers
Dubé
Fournier
Fry
Gagnon (Champlain)
Guay
Guimond
Hubbard
Kilgour (Edmonton Southeast)
Lee
Mahoney
McCormick
Ménard
Mills (Toronto--Danforth)
Normand
Parrish
Perron
Pettigrew
Plamondon
Rocheleau
Rock
Roy
Serré
St-Hilaire
Steckle
Torsney
Tremblay (Lac-Saint-Jean--Saguenay)
Tremblay (Rimouski-Neigette-et-la Mitis)
Ur

Accordingly, the Bill was read the second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage.

Delegated Legislation

Pursuant to Standing Order 125, the following motion of Mr. Grewal (Joint Chairman of the Standing Joint Committee for the Scrutiny of Regulations) was deemed moved and adopted:

    That the Fourth Report of the Standing Joint Committee for the Scrutiny of Regulations, presented on Thursday, December 6, 2001, be concurred in.

Accordingly, pursuant to Standing Order 123(1), it was ordered, — That subsection 15(5) of the Northwest Territories Reindeer Regulations, C.R.C. 1978, c. 1238, be revoked.

Returns and Reports Deposited with the Clerk of the House

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), papers deposited with the Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table as follows:

— by Mr. Graham (Minister of Foreign Affairs) — Report on Canada's activities as a Member Nation of the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations for the period of April 1, 2000, to March 31, 2001, pursuant to the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations Act, R.S. 1985, c. F-26, s. 4. — Sessional Paper No. 8560-371-559-01. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade)

— by Mr. Graham (Minister of Foreign Affairs) — Copy of Regulations amending the United Nations Suppression of Terrorism Regulations (SOR/2002-33), pursuant to the United Nations Act, R.S. 1985, c. U-2, sbs. 4(1). — Sessional Paper No. 8560-371-592-10. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade)

— by Ms. McLellan (Minister of Health) — Report on the administration and operation of the Canada Health Act for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2001, pursuant to the Canada Health Act, R.S. 1985, c. C-6, s. 23. — Sessional Paper No. 8560-371-458-02. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Health)

— by Mr. Pettigrew (Minister for International Trade) — Report of the Northen Pipeline Agency, together with the Auditor General's Report, for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2001, pursuant to the Northern Pipeline Act, R.S. 1985, C. N-26, ss.13 and 14. — Sessional Paper No. 8560-371-43-02. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Aboriginal Affairs, Northern Development and Natural Resources)

— by Ms. Robillard (President of the Treasury Board) — Report on the administration of the Supplementary Retirement Benefits Act for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2001, pursuant to the Supplementary Retirement Benefits Act, R.S. 1985, c. S-24, s. 12. — Sessional Paper No. 8560-371-366-02. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Transport and Government Operations)

— by Mr. Rock (Minister of Industry) — List of Commissions issued for the year 2001, pursuant to the Public Officers Act, R.S. 1985, c. P-31, s. 4. — Sessional Paper No. 8560-371-413-02. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on Industry, Science and Technology)

Adjournment Proceedings

At 7:13 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 38(1), the question "That this House do now adjourn" was deemed to have been proposed.

After debate, the question was deemed to have been adopted.

Accordingly, at 7:21 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 10:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).