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HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
37th PARLIAMENT, 1st SESSION


JOURNALS

No. 116

Wednesday, November 21, 2001

2:00 p.m.



Prayers

National Anthem

Statements By Members

Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.

Oral Questions

Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to Oral Questions.

Government Orders

Pursuant to Standing Order 45, the House resumed consideration of the motion of Ms. Copps (Minister of Canadian Heritage), seconded by Mr. Collenette (Minister of Transport), -- That Bill C-10, An Act respecting the national marine conservation areas of Canada, be now read a third time and do pass;

And of the amendment of Mr. Burton (Skeena), seconded by Mr. Cummins (Delta--South Richmond), -- That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word ''That'' and substituting the following:

    “Bill C-10, An Act respecting the national marine conservation areas of Canada, be not now read a third time but be referred back to the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage for the purpose of reconsidering Clause 10 with the view to ensure that the effected provinces are given explicit veto powers over the creation of marine conservation areas.”.

The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the subamendment of Mr. Mills (Red Deer), seconded by Mr. Anderson (Cypress Hills--Grasslands), -- That the amendment be amended by adding the following words:

    “and that the Committee report back to the House no later than the first sitting day in 2003.”.

The question was put on the subamendment and it was negatived on the following division:

+

(Division No. 172 -- Vote No 172)

YEAS: 72, NAYS: 167

YEAS -- POUR
Ablonczy
Anderson (Cypress Hills--Grasslands)
Asselin
Bailey
Bellehumeur
Benoit
Bergeron
Bigras
Bourgeois
Breitkreuz
Brien
Cadman
Cardin
Casson
Chatters
Crête
Dalphond-Guiral
Day
Desrochers
Dubé
Duceppe
Duncan
Epp
Fitzpatrick
Forseth
Gagnon (Québec)
Gagnon (Champlain)
Gallant
Gauthier
Girard-Bujold
Grewal
Guay
Harris
Hilstrom
Hinton
Jaffer
Kenney (Calgary Southeast)
Laframboise
Lalonde
Lanctôt
Lebel
Marceau
Martin (Esquimalt--Juan de Fuca)
Ménard
Merrifield
Mills (Red Deer)
Moore
Obhrai
Pallister
Paquette
Penson
Perron
Picard (Drummond)
Rajotte
Reid (Lanark--Carleton)
Reynolds
Ritz
Rocheleau
Roy
Sauvageau
Schmidt
Skelton
Solberg
Sorenson
Spencer
St-Hilaire
Toews
Tremblay (Lac-Saint-Jean--Saguenay)
Vellacott
Venne
Williams
Yelich -- 72
NAYS -- CONTRE
Adams
Alcock
Allard
Anderson (Victoria)
Assad
Assadourian
Augustine
Bachand (Richmond--Arthabaska)
Bagnell
Baker
Barnes
Beaumier
Bélair
Bélanger
Bennett
Bertrand
Bevilacqua
Binet
Blaikie
Blondin-Andrew
Bonin
Bonwick
Borotsik
Boudria
Bradshaw
Brown
Bulte
Caccia
Calder
Cannis
Caplan
Carroll
Casey
Castonguay
Catterall
Cauchon
Chamberlain
Charbonneau
Chrétien
Clark
Comartin
Comuzzi
Copps
Cotler
Davies
Desjarlais
DeVillers
Dhaliwal
Dion
Discepola
Doyle
Dromisky
Drouin
Duhamel
Duplain
Eggleton
Eyking
Finlay
Fontana
Fry
Gagliano
Godfrey
Godin
Goodale
Graham
Harb
Harvard
Harvey
Hill (Prince George--Peace River)
Hubbard
Ianno
Jackson
Jennings
Jordan
Karetak-Lindell
Karygiannis
Keddy (South Shore)
Keyes
Kilgour (Edmonton Southeast)
Knutson
Kraft Sloan
Laliberte
Lastewka
Lavigne
LeBlanc
Lee
Leung
Lill
Lincoln
Longfield
MacAulay
MacKay (Pictou--Antigonish--Guysborough)
Macklin
Mahoney
Malhi
Maloney
Marcil
Mark
Marleau
Martin (Winnipeg Centre)
Matthews
McCallum
McGuire
McKay (Scarborough East)
McLellan
McTeague
Meredith
Mills (Toronto--Danforth)
Minna
Mitchell
Murphy
Myers
Nault
Normand
O'Brien (London--Fanshawe)
O'Reilly
Owen
Pagtakhan
Pankiw
Paradis
Parrish
Patry
Peric
Peterson
Pettigrew
Phinney
Pickard (Chatham--Kent Essex)
Pillitteri
Pratt
Price
Proulx
Provenzano
Redman
Regan
Richardson
Robillard
Robinson
Rock
Saada
Savoy
Scherrer
Scott
Serré
Sgro
Shepherd
Speller
St-Jacques
St-Julien
St. Denis
Stewart
Szabo
Telegdi
Thibault (West Nova)
Thibeault (Saint-Lambert)
Thompson (New Brunswick Southwest)
Tirabassi
Tobin
Tonks
Torsney
Ur
Valeri
Vanclief
Volpe
Wasylycia-Leis
Wayne
Whelan
Wood -- 167
PAIRED -- PAIRÉS
Bachand (Saint-Jean)
Collenette
Easter
Fournier
Gallaway
Guimond
Loubier
Manley
McCormick
Plamondon
Tremblay (Rimouski-Neigette-et-la Mitis)
Wappel

By unanimous consent, the question was put on the amendment and it was negatived on the following division:

-

(Division No. 173 -- Vote No 173)

YEAS: 72, NAYS: 167.
(See list under Division No. 172)

Daily Routine Of Business

Tabling of Documents

Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Regan (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, — Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the following petitions:

-- No. 371-0320 concerning Algeria. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-371-78-01;

-- Nos. 371-0376, 371-0404 and 371-0405 concerning genetic engineering. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-371-30-05;

-- No. 371-0380 concerning post-secondary education. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-371-69-02;

-- No. 371-0407 concerning the Robert Latimer case. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-371-58-02.

Presenting Reports from Committees

Mr. Graham (Toronto Centre--Rosedale), from the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade, presented the 12th Report of the Committee (Resolution at Committee Stage on Bill C-35). -- Sessional Paper No. 8510-371-93.

Pursuant to Standing Order 109, the Committee requested that the government table a comprehensive response.

A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings (Meeting No. 42) was tabled.

Introduction of Private Members' Bills

Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of Mr. Murphy (Hillsborough), seconded by Mr. Tirabassi (Niagara Centre), Bill C-414, An Act to establish Verbal Abuse Prevention Week, was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.

Presenting Petitions

Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of Petitions were presented as follows:

— by Ms. Girard-Bujold (Jonquière), one concerning sex offenders (No. 371-0464);

— by Mr. Robinson (Burnaby--Douglas), one concerning terrorism (No. 371-0465) and one concerning international trade (No. 371-0466);

— by Mr. Adams (Peterborough), one concerning health care services (371-0467), and one concerning terrorism (371-0468).

Questions on Order Paper

Mr. Regan (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) presented the answers to questions Q-74, Q-76 and Q-77 on the Order Paper.


Pursuant to Standing Order 39(7), Mr. Regan (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) presented the returns to the following questions made into orders for returns:

    Q-34 -- Mr. Williams (St. Albert) -- For the following categories of items purchased either by Public Works and Government Services Canada for departments, agencies and Crown corporations, or by the individual department, agency or Crown corporation in fiscal years 1998-99 and 1999-2000, namely, (1) teapots, (2) televisions, (3) briefcases, (4) umbrellas, (5) sewing machines, (6) microwaves, (7) flatware, (8) clothes hangers, (9) wine glasses, (10) cameras, both regular and digital, (11) golf balls, (12) golf tees, (13) beverages, alcoholic, (14) jams, jellies and preserves, (15) land mines, (16) games, toys and wheeled goods, (17) phonograph records, (18) perfumes, toilet preparations and powders, (19) nuclear bombs, (20) nuclear components, (21) nuclear demolition and depth charges, (22) nuclear projectiles, (23) nuclear reactors, (24) nuclear rockets, warheads and warhead sections: (a) by department, agency or Crown corporation, how many in each category were purchased; (b) what was the total cost spent by either Public Works and Government Services Canada or another department, agency or Crown corporation on each category? -- Sessional Paper No. 8555-371-34.


    Q-75 -- Mr. Williams (St. Albert) -- For each of the following items listed on page 3.25 of Volume II, Part II, of the Public Accounts of Canada 2000-2001, under the rubric "Losses of Public Property Due to an Offence or Other Illegal Act" for the Department of National Defence, namely, (1) 384 cases of "theft of military kit" totalling $117,596, (2) 15 cases of "theft of transportation equipment" totalling $34,373, (3) 5 cases of "theft of construction engineering equipment" totalling $11,386, (4) 15 cases of "theft of military specific equipment" totalling $1,822, (5) 26 cases of "theft of non-military specific equipment" totalling $5,342: (a) what was stolen; (b) what was the value of each individual item; (c) where was the location of the theft; and (d) were there any charges laid? -- Sessional Paper No. 8555-371-75.

Government Orders

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Ms. Copps (Minister of Canadian Heritage), seconded by Mr. Collenette (Minister of Transport), -- That Bill C-10, An Act respecting the national marine conservation areas of Canada, be now read a third time and do pass.

The debate continued.

The question was put on the motion and, pursuant to Standing Order 45, the recorded division was deferred until Tuesday, November 27, 2001, at the expiry of the time provided for Oral Questions.


The Order was read for the third reading of Bill C-35, An Act to amend the Foreign Missions and International Organizations Act.

Mr. Goodale (Minister of Natural Resources) for Mr. Manley (Minister of Foreign Affairs), seconded by Ms. Copps (Minister of Canadian Heritage), moved, -- That the Bill be now read a third time and do pass.

Debate arose thereon.

Mr. Pallister (Portage--Lisgar), seconded by Mr. Cadman (Surrey North), moved the following amendment, -- That the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word “That” and substituting the following:

    “ Bill C-35, An Act to amend the Foreign Missions and International Organizations Act, be not now read a third time, but be referred back to the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade for further consideration of Clause 5, with due respect being given to recommendations 31.3.1 and 31.3.2 of the Interim Report of the Commission for Public Complaints Against the RCMP, which call for greater independence of the RCMP from political influence; for further consideration of Clause 3, with due respect being given to the view expressed by the Minister of Foreign Affairs that diplomatic immunity ought to apply only to acts committed in the course of diplomatic duties; and for further consideration of Clause 3, with due respect being given to the principle that any admission into Canada of foreign representatives who would normally be inadmissible under Section 19 of the Immigration Act due to having engaged in, or being likely to engage in acts of violence, subversion, terrorism, crimes against humanity, and offences under the Criminal Code ought to be reported to Parliament; and for further consideration of Clause 2, with due consideration being given to the need for increased national security measures in consequence of the events of September 11.”

Debate arose thereon.

Private Members' Business

At 5:41 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(7), the House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members' Business.

The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Williams (St. Albert), seconded by Mr. Hanger (Calgary Northeast), — That, in the opinion of this House, the government should fully implement the recommendations of the Fifty-first Report of the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs in the 1st session of the 36th Parliament, entitled “The Business of Supply: Completing the Circle of Control”. (Private Members' Business M-296)

The debate continued.

Pursuant to Standing Order 93, the Order was dropped to the bottom of the order of precedence on the Order Paper.

Messages from the Senate

A message was received from the Senate as follows:

    — ORDERED: That, notwithstanding Rule 63(1), the proceedings on Bill C-33, An Act respecting the water resources of Nunavut and the Nunavut Surface Rights Tribunal and to make consequential amendments to other Acts, which took place on Tuesday, November 6, 2001, be declared null and void; and

    That a message be sent to the House of Commons informing that House of this decision and that the Senate attends any message that the House of Commons may have regarding this matter.

Adjournment Proceedings

At 6:42 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 38(1), the question "That this House do now adjourn" was deemed to have been proposed.

After debate, the question was deemed to have been adopted.

Accordingly, at 6:52 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow at 10:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).