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MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS
 
Meeting No. 19
 
Thursday, February 17, 2005
 

The Standing Committee on Human Resources, Skills Development, Social Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities met at 11:05 a.m. this day, in Room 705 La Promenade Building, the Chair, Raymonde Folco, presiding.

 

Members of the Committee present: Peter Adams, Eleni Bakopanos, Jean-Claude D'Amours, Barry Devolin, Raymonde Folco, Paul Forseth, Christiane Gagnon, Ed Komarnicki, Yves Lessard, Tony Martin, Yasmin Ratansi and Peter Van Loan.

 

Acting Members present: Susan Kadis for Yasmin Ratansi.

 

In attendance: Library of Parliament: Chantal Collin, Analyst; Kevin Kerr, Analyst. House of Commons: Susan Baldwin, Legislative Clerk.

 

Witnesses: Department of Social Development: Johanne MT Bélisle, Director General, Corporate Planning, Horizontal Initiatives and International Relations; Peter Hicks, Assistant Deputy Minister, Policy and Strategic Direction, Assistant Deputy Minister's Office; Julie Lalonde-Goldenberg, General Counsel and Deputy Director, Legal Services; Susan Scotti, Assistant Deputy Minister, Social Development Sectors.

 
Pursuant to the Order of Reference of Tuesday, December 7, 2004, the Committee resumed consideration of Bill C-22, An Act to establish the Department of Social Development and to amend and repeal certain related Acts.
 

Pursuant to Standing Order 75(1), consideration of Clause 1 is postponed.

The Chair calls Clause 2.

 

Clauses 2 to 4 inclusive carried on division severally.

 

On Clause 5,

Tony Martin moved, — That Bill C-22, in Clause 5, be amended by adding after line 27 on page 2 the following:

“(3) In this section, “social development of Canada” means a process of coordinated social change that

(a) promotes the social well-being of the population of Canada as a whole and of disadvantaged groups within it;

(b) aims to integrate a policy of social and economic justice;

(c) improves health, education, housing, employment, living standards and safety; and

(d) develops social policy on a holistic and communal basis as well as an individual basis.”

Debate arose thereon.

 

The question was put on the amendment of Tony Martin and it was negatived, by a show of hands: YEAS: 1; NAYS: 9.

 

Clause 5 carried by a show of hands: YEAS: 6; NAYS: 2.

 

Clause 6 carried by a show of hands: YEAS: 8; NAYS: 2.

 

On Clause 7,

Christiane Gagnon moved, — That Bill C-22, in Clause 7, be amended by replacing line 38 on page 2 with the following:

7. (1) The Minister may, with the agreement of the provinces, in exercising the”

Debate arose thereon.

 

The question was put on the amendment of Christiane Gagnon and it was negatived, by a show of hands: YEAS: 2; NAYS: 8.

 

On Clause 7,

Christiane Gagnon moved, — That Bill C-22, in Clause 7, be amended by adding after line 3 on page 3 the following:

“(2) The Minister shall provide, to every province that refuses to give its agreement for a program, unconditional financial compensation equal to the portion of the grants and contributions that the Minister would have provided in support of the program in the province.”

 

The Chair ruled the proposed amendment inadmissible because it infringed on the financial initiative of the Crown, as provided on page 655 of House of Commons Procedure and Practice.

 

Whereupon, Yves Lessard appealed the decision of the Chair.

The question: "Shall the decision of the Chair be sustained?" was put and the decision was sustained, by a show of hands: YEAS: 7; NAYS: 2.

 
Christiane Gagnon moved, — That Bill C-22, in Clause 7, be amended by adding after line 3 on page 3 the following:

“The Minister shall provide, to every province that refuses to give its agreement for a program, unconditiionel financial compensation.”

 

The Chair ruled the proposed amendment inadmissible because it infringed on the financial initiative of the Crown, as provided on page 655 of House of Commons Procedure and Practice.

 

Clause 7 carried by a show of hands: YEAS: 8; NAYS: 2.

 

On Clause 7.1,

Tony Martin moved, — That Bill C-22 be amended by adding after line 3 on page 3 the following new clause:

7.1 In exercising the powers and performing the duties or functions assigned to the Minister under this or any other Act, the Minister shall consider the following principal elements of a social development approach:

(a) social protection that provides a safety net for persons by

(i) providing a minimum level of income to persons who become unemployed, sick, or otherwise unable to work,

(ii) providing access to affordable health services for persons who are sick or disabled, and accommodation assistance for persons with housing needs, and

(iii) ensuring that support is available to individuals and families;

(b) a social investment strategy that

(i) reduces the future burden on the social protection system,

(ii) provides the flexibility and resilience required to deal with future pressures on Canadian society,

(iii) builds capacity within different levels of government and civil society,

(iv) sets short- and long-term goals with targets and timetables, and

(v) includes a gender and race analysis of existing and future social policy initiatives;

(c) an active approach that helps persons move towards economic self-reliance by

(i) ensuring that policies and services meet immediate needs, and

(ii) focusing on achieving long-term outcomes for individuals and families;

(d) public participation, achieved by

(i) establishing meaningful mechanisms to ensure democratic participation in all spheres of public life, including mechanisms to ensure the participation of disabled persons, and

(ii) empowering poor or disadvantaged persons by providing them with access to information and knowledge about their rights, and evaluating the outcome of mechanisms put in place to ensure such access.”

 

Peter Adams moved, — That the amendment be amended by replacing the paragraph “(V) includes a gender and race analysis of existing and future social policy initiatives;” with the paragraph “(V) includes comparative analysis of the impact of social policies on the various groups that compromises Canadian society;”

Debate arose thereon.

 

The question was put on the subamendment of Tony Martin and it was negatived, by a show of hands: YEAS: 1; NAYS: 9.

 

The question was put on the amendment of Tony Martin and it was negatived.

 

Clause 8 carried by a show of hands: YEAS: 8; NAYS: 2.

 

Clause 9 carried by a show of hands: YEAS: 8; NAYS: 2.

 

Clause 10 carried by a show of hands: YEAS: 8; NAYS: 2.

 

Clause 11 carried by a show of hands: YEAS: 8; NAYS: 2.

 

Clause 12 carried by a show of hands: YEAS: 8; NAYS: 2.

 

Clauses 13 to 29 inclusive carried on division severally.

 

On Clause 30,

Christiane Gagnon moved, — That Bill C-22, in Clause 30, be amended by replacing line 39 on page 8 with the following:

“is satisfied that the information will be used for a purpose consistent with the purpose for which it was collected and the information is”

Debate arose thereon.

 

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Christiane Gagnon and it was negatived, by a show of hands: YEAS: 3; NAYS: 8.

 
Christiane Gagnon moved, — That Bill C-22, in Clause 30, be amended by replacing lines 7 and 8 on page 9 with the following:

“enforcement of a law if the Minister is satisfied that the information will be used for a purpose consistent with the purpose for which it was collected and the information is made”

Debate arose thereon.

 

After debate, the question was put on the amendment of Christiane Gagnon and it was negatived, by a show of hands: YEAS: 3; NAYS: 8.

 

Clause 30 carried on division.

 

By unanimous consent, Clauses 31 to 67 inclusive carried on division.

 

Clauses 68 to 70 inclusive carried on division severally.

 

The Short Title carried on division.

 

The Title carried on division.

 

The Bill carried.

 

ORDERED, — That the Chair report the Bill to the House.

 

At 1:01 p.m., the Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

 



Danielle Bélisle
Clerk of the Committee

 
 
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