Arranging the Business of the House / Miscellaneous

April 14, 1987

Debates, pp. 5119-24

On April 13, 1987, during Routine Proceedings, Mr. Doug Lewis (Parliamentary Secretary to the Deputy Prime Minister) moved immediately after presenting the Government’s responses to petitions, that the House should forthwith proceed to Motions. A long debate ensued, during which the Opposition Members accused the Government of trying to prevent them from presenting petitions; they attacked this as a manoeuvre designed to enable the Government to move time allocation on the debate on Bill C-22, An Act to amend the Patent Act.^[1] The Speaker took the matter under advisement. The following day he ruled that the Government could, in that specific case only, proceed to another item under Routine Business. Because of the delaying tactics used by the Opposition in the preceding weeks to block consideration of Bill C-22, the Speaker deemed that it was in the interests of the House to allow the Government to proceed with its motion. His decision is reproduced in full below.

Decision of the Chair

The Speaker: I indicated to the House yesterday that I would be prepared to rule at eleven o’clock this morning on the matter which was raised yesterday by the honourable Parliamentary Secretary to the President of the Privy Council who moved under Tabling of Documents that the House should now proceed to Motions. It was evident that the effect of this motion, if carried, would be to supersede all intervening routine proceedings. I invited argument on the admissibility of the motion and reserved my decision.

The contributions made by all honourable Members who participated in the discussion were very forthright. A number of valid points were raised, and the Chair appreciated the force of the arguments which were made.

The honourable Member for Burnaby (Mr. Svend Robinson) referred to my ruling of November 24, 1986, in which I stated that a motion having the effect of superseding a number of items under Routine Proceedings would be inappropriate and that we should proceed from item to item.^[2] In reserving my decision yesterday, I was very conscious that I had made that ruling and that the motion moved yesterday by the honourable Parliamentary Secretary to the President of the Privy Council was without precedent. The two motions are indeed similar, but the circumstances are considerably different. However, the concerns of the Chair remain the same.

The honourable member for Churchill (Mr. Rod Murphy) suggested that the only motion which could be moved during Routine Proceedings was one to proceed to the Orders of the Day. However much I may be inclined to agree with him, the fact remains that we have a number of precedents to the contrary. The honourable Deputy Prime Minister (Hon. Don Mazankowski) stated:

If the consideration of Routine Proceedings is to be considered a sacred process, item by item then we will have to go back and re-examine the dilatory motions and the procedural tactics, as well as the procedural acceptability of some of these dilatory motions.

The Chair fully agrees with this statement. The Honourable Deputy Prime Minister also stated that there surely has to be some balance, and with this comment the Chair also agrees.

The honourable Member for Windsor West (Hon. Herb Gray) claimed that a superseding motion can only be accepted when there is something before the House to be superseded. The honourable Member for Cape Breton—East Richmond (Mr. David Dingwall) reinforced this point when he said that the precondition for a superseding motion is that there be debate on the floor of the House. It would be difficult to quarrel with the logic of these arguments and I believe they strengthen the case for a total review of the admissibility of dilatory motions during Routine Proceedings.

A number of honourable Members dealt with the importance of protecting the fundamental rights Members have under Routine Proceedings. However, the fundamental rights of Members can be violated by the tactics of obstruction as well as by the unreasonable restriction of debate. The honourable Member for Cochrane—Superior (Mr. Keith Penner) went to the heart of the matter when he stated that the procedural tactics which the House has witnessed have little to do with the content of Bill C-22. As I made clear yesterday, the Chair is not the least bit interested in the content of the Bill. The Chair is, however, gravely concerned with the effect of these tactics by either side on the well-being of the House of Commons.

The House has had before it for almost six months a highly controversial piece of legislation, namely, Bill C-22, an Act to amend the Patent Act. This is not the first time the House has had to deal with controversial legislation, neither will it be the last. It is essential to our democratic system that controversial issues should be debated at reasonable length so that every reasonable opportunity shall be available to hear the arguments pro and con and that reasonable delaying tactics should be permissible to enable opponents of a measure to enlist public support for their point of view. Sooner or later every issue must be decided, and the decision will be taken by a majority. Rules of procedure protect both the minority and the majority. They are designed to allow the full expression of views on both sides of an issue. They provide the Opposition with a means to delay a decision. They also provide the majority with a means of limiting debate in order to arrive at a decision. This is the kind of balance essential to the procedure of a democratic assembly. Our rules were certainly never designed to permit the total frustration of one side or the other, the total stagnation of debate, or the total paralysis of the system.

Bill C-22 was first introduced on November 6, 1986 and given first reading on November 7, following a division in both cases. The strong opposition to the Bill led to the use of procedural tactics for purposes of delay to which the Government responded with procedural tactics of their own. Seven divisions took place prior to the introduction of the Bill, most of them resulting from the moving of dilatory motions during Routine Proceedings. Fourteen more divisions, most of them again resulting from the moving of dilatory motions during Routine Proceedings, took place before the bill obtained a second reading on December 8, 1986.

The Bill was referred to a Legislative Committee which reported it back to the House with amendments on March 16, 1987, after 24 meetings and 82 hours of debate as the Deputy Prime Minister pointed out. Numerous amendments were proposed at the report stage to which four days have so far been devoted.

On April 7, the Honourable Minister of Consumer and Corporate Affairs (Mr. Harvie Andre) gave notice of an allocation of time motion in terms of S.O. [Standing Order] 117. This Standing Order was adopted by the House in 1968 and has been regularly used ever since. It is a legitimate procedure provided it is not abused and it has been employed by Governments both Liberal and Progressive Conservative without any procedural challenge to their right to do so.

As the House knows, dilatory tactics prevented the House from reaching Motions on two successive days last week. On the third day, Friday, the Government undertook not to proceed with its allocation of time motion respecting Bill C-22 and by mutual agreement Routine Proceedings did not take place. The tactical battle has unfortunately become a substitute for debate. Opponents of the Bill have used various devices to delay the passage of this Bill at its successive stages. The Government has countered by using superseding motions having the opposite effect. To the viewing public, these tactics must be totally meaningless. Our procedures are being used for purposes for which they were never originally intended, and the public could be pardoned for believing that our rules have no logical basis at all.

In the kind of situation which faces us, I have no doubt that negotiation provides the only route to a satisfactory solution. However, when negotiations fail there comes a time when the Chair is obliged to consider what its own responsibilities are. One of the functions of the Speaker is to ensure that the House is able to transact its business. This does not mean that the Chair plays any part in assisting the Government in the management of its business agenda. I want to repeat that; this does not mean that the Chair plays any part in assisting the Government in the management of its business agenda.

Considerable debate has already taken place on this Bill. It cannot be argued that the opportunities for airing objections to it have been unreasonably restricted. There has been considerable disruption of Routine Proceedings which, as I have said, has given me very grave concern.

I might point out that I invited honourable Members last Wednesday, if they chose at that time, to give any advice they might have for the Speaker.

Routine Proceedings are an essential part of House business and if they are not protected the interests of the House and the public it serves are likely to suffer severely.

The moving of dilatory motions during Routine Proceedings is a very recent practice which originated in the early 1980s. I share the doubts expressed by some honourable Members yesterday as to its procedural validity. It is a practice which can supersede the presentation of petitions, delay indefinitely the introduction of Bills—those of Private Members as well as those of the Government—and completely block debate on motions for concurrence in committee reports as well as on allocation of time motions. These arguments were made very effectively by honourable Members in the course of their contributions yesterday. The honourable Member for Ottawa—Vanier (Mr. Jean-Robert Gauthier) argued very strongly that during Routine Proceedings a Member should be recognized only for the purpose contemplated by the particular rubric under which he or she rises. Since Routine Proceedings have been moved to the morning on three days of the week, these problems have been aggravated. However, this is a broader issue which will need to be addressed at another time.

The immediate question which faces the Chair is whether the motion moved yesterday by the honourable Parliamentary Secretary to the President of the Privy Council is acceptable or not. I recognize that if we are to adhere rigidly to recent precedents, including my own ruling of November 24, 1986, the motion would have to be ruled unacceptable. The House is nevertheless facing an impasse which it has been unable to resolve for itself. There comes a time when the Chair has to face its responsibilities. When circumstances change, and the rules of procedure provide no solution, the Chair must fall back on its discretion in the interests of the House and all its Members. This may require the Chair to modify or vary an earlier decision.

In using my discretion, I believe I am supported by the centuries old tradition which attaches to the Office of Speaker. It was Speaker Lenthall who, in the reign of Charles I, declared in the presence of the King that the Speaker’s first duty lay to the House of Commons. It was Speaker Brand who in 1881 ended the paralysis of the British House by imposing closure of his own initiative.

An eminent parliamentary authority, Josef Redlich, has written that it is the duty of the Speaker to serve the majority and the minority:

—by maintaining the rules and the usage of centuries, and by taking care that both majority and minority are not impeded in the use of the forces and the weapons which the order of business provides for strong and weak. Protection of a majority against obstruction and protection of a minority against oppression are both alike functions of the Chair.

When interpreting the rules of procedure, the Speaker must take account not only of their letter but of their spirit and be guided by the most basic rule of all, that of common sense.

The practice of using dilatory motions as a means of obstruction is undoubtedly sanctioned by our parliamentary practice. However, many parliamentary jurisdictions in the Commonwealth place restrictions on the extent to which they can be used. For example, in the British House of Commons the Speaker has the power to refuse a dilatory motion if he believes it to be an abuse of the rules of the House. By the same token, he is empowered to allow them if he believes them to be justified.

I repeat my conviction that the entire question of the use of dilatory motions during Routine Proceedings needs to be examined and that no procedures should be sanctioned which permit the House to be brought to a total standstill for an indefinite period. Division bells are no substitute for debate.

This Parliament has been a Parliament of reform. We have seen important changes implemented designed to facilitate the flow of business, increase the powers of committees, improve the opportunities of Private Members, and increase the effectiveness of our procedures.

The decision of the House to change the manner of electing its Speaker is indicative of the fact that the House of Commons has matured. Has it matured enough to confer upon its Presiding Officer the discretionary powers necessary to control abuse and resolve deadlocks that the British House of Commons gave its own Speaker over a century ago? I believe it has.

Having given serious consideration to all of the arguments that have been made, I have decided that I can best serve the interests of the House by allowing the motion moved yesterday by the honourable Parliamentary Secretary to the President of the Privy Council. In doing so, I make it clear that this will not be regarded as a precedent for all time, and that in other circumstances the Chair might well disallow such a motion.

I hope all honourable Members realize that the spirit of my decision has nothing to do with the content of Bill C-22. I am concerned only with the procedures of this House and the implications for the future of what we may do today. There are circumstances in which obstructive tactics can be an abuse of the rules of the House. Equally, notice of time allocation motions after only a few hours of debate at any stage of a Bill can also be an abuse. However, when such notice is given in the face of a lengthy report stage, after detailed consideration of a Bill has taken place during a long period of time in committee, I submit that this is a legitimate use of Standing Order 117. Both time allocation motions and dilatory motions are open to abuse. When such tactics are entered upon by either Government or Opposition the balance of democratic parliamentary government can be easily upset. The maintenance of that balance is a fundamental responsibility of the Speaker.

I wish to make it clear to all honourable Members that if this ruling is resorted to as a precedent, the Chair will interpret it in the light of the prevailing circumstances with a view to maintaining that essential balance to which I have just referred.

I wish to make some additional comments. I have not enjoyed making this ruling. Nonetheless, that is the responsibility that, in the circumstances, honourable Members have imposed upon me. I have accepted that responsibility with due regard to the traditions of this place which I have tried to adequately express in my ruling. The ruling which I have just made was made after intense consideration of not only our rules and our precedents but also with regard to as much common sense as I could bring to the present situation.

However, I want something to be clearly understood by all honourable Members wherever they sit in this Chamber. I expect every honourable Member to take my ruling in the spirit in which it is intended. It is simply this. In the absence of any clear direction according to the standing rules I have had to make a decision.

I want to address a particular concern that was made by some honourable Members during argument on this important matter. Simply stated it is this. The result of my ruling might be that the right of Private Members to present their concerns under Routine Proceedings could be prevented and, if so, their rights as parliamentarians would be unfairly and wrongfully restricted or, indeed, extinguished. Let me answer that concern. If anyone on either side of the House tries to take what could be considered unfair advantage of my ruling, I serve clear notice that as long as I am Speaker I will not tolerate such a proposition. I have had to make a decision. It is a decision circumscribed by events. No one should presume for a moment that it ought to be used as justification for abuse of whatever form against or violence to the principles of fair play.

My ruling, admittedly, has left some discretion to the Speaker. Until there are some rule changes that help resolve the need for the Speaker to exercise, in the interests of the Chamber, this discretion as Speaker, I shall strive mightily to find an acceptable resolution of the disputes. I believe that the resolution of these inevitable and legitimate disputes should be on the basis of our traditions, our rules, our precedents, and something else as well. By this I mean what is essential to this House of Commons, that is, that well accepted but not always definable thing upon which our whole constitutional history is based. It is fair play and, perhaps I can add as I have already mentioned, common sense. I should immediately remark that common sense, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. Nevertheless, there is a basic common sense that those of us who have to get elected understand only too well. It is, when all is said and done, the profound sense of what is appropriate under certain circumstances and which is acceptable to reasonable people.

I have tried to give honourable Members an intellectually reasoned ruling. I have also tried to support it with a rationale that stands the test of common sense. I want to assure all honourable Members that their Speaker will not be receptive to any abuse of either the intellectual or common sense basis of this ruling. I would hope that the difficulties of the Speaker in this situation will encourage honourable Members to reconsider the present rules with a view to making changes which would secure the sanctity of Routine Proceedings and the legitimate interest of all Members of the House of Commons.

I want to thank all honourable Members for their diligence and the sincerity with which they put their arguments. I hope that this ruling, while not satisfactory to all, will be accepted in the interests of this place.

F0201-e

33-2

1987-04-14