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MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS


TUESDAY, APRIL 8, 1997
(Meeting No. 79)

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The Standing Committee on Agriculture and Agri-Food met at 9:05 o'clock a.m. this day, in Room 371, West Block, the Chairman, Lyle Vanclief, presiding.

Members of the Committee present: Murray Calder, Jean-Guy Chrétien, Wayne Easter, Elwin Hermanson, Jake Hoeppner, Glen McKinnon, Jerry Pickard, Julian Reed, Rose-Marie Ur and Lyle Vanclief.

Acting Member present: Stan Dromisky for Bernie Collins.

Associate Member present: Len Taylor.

In attendance: From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: Sonya Dakers, Research Coordinator and Jean-Denis Fréchette, Research Officer.

Witnesses: From the Malting Industry Association of Canada: Philip DeKemp, President. From the Canadian Pasta Manufacturers' Association: Don Jarvis, Executive Director. From the Canadian National Millers' Association: Gordon Harrison, President. From the Baking Association of Canada: Paul Hetherington, President and CEO.

In accordance with its Order of reference of February 19, 1997, consideration of Bill C-72, An Act to amend the Canadian Wheat Board Act.

The witnesses in a roundtable format, made statements and answered questions.

At 10:15 o'clock a.m., the Committee considered other business.

On motion of Julian Reed, it was agreed--That, as discussed on March 13, 1997, the Committee cover the costs of an official luncheon ($987.02 tax included) with a U.S. Congressional Delegation that was held on Monday, March 24, 1997 and that an Official Gift ($44.00) be provided to the Head of the U.S. Delegation.

At 10:20 o'clock a.m., the Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.


WEDNESDAY, APRIL 9, 1997
(Meeting No. 80)

The Standing Committee on Agriculture and Agri-Food met at 4:20 o'clock p.m. this day, in Room 269, West Block, the Chairman, Lyle Vanclief, presiding.

Members of the Committee present: Murray Calder, Jean-Guy Chrétien, Bernie Collins, Harold Culbert, Wayne Easter, Elwin Hermanson, Jake Hoeppner, Glen McKinnon, Jerry Pickard and Lyle Vanclief.

Acting Members present: Leon Benoit for Cliff Breitkreuz; Paul Steckle for Rose-Marie Ur.

In attendance: From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: Sonya Dakers, Research Coordinator and Jean-Denis Fréchette, Research Officer. From the Committees and Parliamentary Association Branch: Robert Normand, Procedural Clerk.

Witnesses: From Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada: Jerry Pickard, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Agriculture and Agri-Food; Howard Migie, Director General, Adaptation and Grain Policy Directorate, Policy Branch; Victor Jarjour, Director, Grains and Oilseeds Division, International Markets Bureau, Market and Industry Services Branch. From the Department of Justice: David Byer, Legal Counsel.

It was agreed that the following documents be filed as exhibits with the Committee:

--``Alberta Plebiscite Results on Barley and Wheat Marketing'', Government of Alberta News Release, dated December 6, 1995 (Exh. ``A'').

--``Public Opinion Survey Research'' conducted by TeleResearch Inc., dated March 26, 1997 (Exh. ``B'').

--``Producer Survey'' conducted by Anderson/Fast Marketing Solutions on behalf of Saskatchewan Agriculture and Food, November 1995 (Exh. ``C'').

--``Producer Survey on the Western Grain Marketing Panel Report'' conducted by the Angus Reid Group on behalf of Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada, October 15, 1996 (Exh. ``D'').

--``The Economics of Single Desk Selling of Western Canadian Grain'', Colin A. Carter and R.M. A. Loyns, pp. 41-42, Alberta Agriculture, Food and Rural Development, 1996.

Pursuant to its Order of Reference, dated February 19, 1997, consideration of Bill C-72, the Canadian Wheat Board Act.

The Chair called Clause 1.

Clause 1 carried, on division.

After debate, it was agreed that Clause 2 carry on the following division:

YEAS


Murray Calder
Glen McKinnon
Bernie Collins
Jerry Pickard
Harold Culbert
Paul Steckle--(7)
Wayne Easter

NAYS


Leon Benoit
Elwin Hermanson--(3)
Jean-Guy Chrétien

On Clause 3

Glen McKinnon moved--That Bill C-72, in Clause 3, be amended by replacing lines 5 and 6 on page 3 with the following:

``(2) The board shall consist of 15 directors, including a''

And debate arising thereon;

It was agreed that the amendment and Clause 3 be allowed to stand.

At 5:15 o'clock p.m., the Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.


THURSDAY, APRIL 10, 1997
(Meeting No. 81)

The Standing Committee on Agriculture and Agri-Food met at 10:35 o'clock a.m. this day, in Room 371, West Block, the Chairman, Lyle Vanclief, presiding.

Members of the Committee present: Murray Calder, Jean-Guy Chrétien, Bernie Collins, Harold Culbert, Wayne Easter, Elwin Hermanson, Jean Landry, Glen McKinnon, Jerry Pickard, Julian Reed, Rose-Marie Ur and Lyle Vanclief.

In attendance: From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: Sonya Dakers, Research Coordinator and Jean-Denis Fréchette, Research Officer.

Witnesses: From Agriculture and Agri-Food: Jerry Pickard, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Agriculture and Agri-Food; Howard Migie, Director General, Adaptation and Grain Policy Directorate, Policy Branch; Victor Jarjour, Director, Grains and Oilseeds Division, International Markets Bureau, Market and Industry Services Branch. From the Department of Justice: David Byer, Legal Counsel.

In accordance with its Order of reference of February 19, 1997, consideration of Bill C-72, An Act to amend the Canadian Wheat Board Act.

On Clause 3

The Committee resumed consideration of the amendment proposed by Glen McKinnon.

Glen McKinnon moved--That Bill C-72, in Clause 3, be amended by replacing lines 5 and 6 on page 3 with the following:

``(2) The board shall consist of 15 directors, including a''

After debate, the question being put on the amendment, it was agreed to on the following division:

YEAS


Murray Calder
Glen McKinnon
Jean-Guy Chrétien
Jerry Pickard
Wayne Easter
Julian Reed
Jean Landry
Rose-Marie Ur--(8)

NAYS


Elwin Hermanson--(1)

Elwin Hermanson moved--That Bill C-72, in Clause 3, be amended by

(a) replacing line 7 on page 3 with the following:

``chairperson.''

(b) replacing lines 12 and 13 on page 3 with the following:

``(2) The directors hold office during pleasure for a''

(c) replacing lines 17 and 18 on page 3 with the following:

``wise directs, the directors shall perform their functions''

(d) replacing lines 23 and 24 on page 3 with the following:

``(2) The directors are entitled to be paid reasonable''

And debate arising thereon;

The question being put on the motion, it was negatived. (YEAS: 3; NAYS: 7).

Murray Calder moved--That Bill C-72, in Clause 3, be amended by replacing line 13 on page 3 with the following:

``president, hold office for a''

After debate, the question being put on the amendment, it was agreed to.

Glen McKinnon moved--That Bill C-72, in Clause 3, be amended by replacing lines 20 to 22 on page 3 with the following:

``3.3 (1) The directors shall be paid such remuneration as is fixed by resolution of the board.''

And debate arising thereon;

The question being put on the amendment, it was agreed to on the following division:

YEAS


Murray Calder
Glen McKinnon
Bernie Collins
Jerry Pickard
Harold Culbert
Rose-Marie Ur--(7)
Wayne Easter

NAYS


Elwin Hermanson
Jean Landry--(2)

Elwin Hermanson moved--That Bill C-72, in Clause 3, be amended by replacing lines 28 and 31 on page 3 with the following:

``3.4 (1) The chairperson shall be a member of the board and shall be elected by the board.''

After debate, the question being put on the amendment, it was negatived on the following division:

YEAS


Jean-Guy Chrétien
Jean Landry--(3)
Elwin Hermanson

NAYS


Murray Calder
Glen McKinnon
Harold Culbert
Jerry Pickard
Wayne Easter
Rose-Marie Ur--(6)

Glen McKinnon moved--That Bill C-72, on Clause 3, be amended by adding after line 22 on page 3 the following:

``(b.1) the conditions under which elected directors may be removed from office;

(b.2) the periodic review of the performance of the president by board;

(b.3) the manner in which the board may recommend to the Minister the removal of the president'';

And debate arising thereon;

Elwin Hermanson moved--That the amendment be amended by replacing the words ``recommend to the Minister the removal of'' with the word ``remove''.

The question being put on the sub-amendment, it was negatived on the following division:

YEAS


Jean-Guy Chrétien
Elwin Hermanson--(2)

NAYS


Murray Calder
Glen McKinnon
Bernie Collins
Jerry Pickard
Harold Culbert
Rose-Marie Ur--(7)
Wayne Easter

The question being put on the amendment, it was agreed to on the following division:

YEAS


Murray Calder
Wayne Easter
Jean-Guy Chrétien
Glen McKinnon
Bernie Collins
Jerry Pickard
Harold Culbert
Rose-Marie Ur--(8)

NAYS


Elwin Hermanson--(1)

Wayne Easter moved--That Bill C-72, in Clause 3, be amended by replacing lines 28 to 31 on page 4 with the following:

``3.6 (1) The majority of the directors shall be elected by produc-''

And debate arising thereon;

Jean-Guy Chrétien moved,--That the amendment be amended by replacing the words ``The majority of the'' with the words ``Twelve''.

The question being put on the sub-amendment, it was negatived on the following division:

YEAS


Jean-Guy Chrétien
Elwin Hermanson--(2)

NAYS


Murray Calder
Glen McKinnon
Harold Culbert
Jerry Pickard
Wayne Easter
Rose-Marie Ur--(6)

The question being put on the amendment, it was agreed to.

Bernie Collins moved--That Bill C-72, in Clause 3, be amended by replacing lines 35 to 37 on page 4 with the following:

``recommendation of the Minister after consultation with the board-- including consultation with respect to geographical representation on the board and to the staggering of the terms of office of directors--make regulations respecting the election of directors.''

And debate arising thereon;

Jean-Guy Chrétien moved,--That the amendment be amended by adding after the words ``representation on the board'' the words ``on which at least three members would come from Quebec''.

The question being put on the sub-amendment, it was negatived on the following division :

YEAS


Jean-Guy Chrétien--(1)

NAYS


Murray Calder
Elwin Hermanson
Bernie Collins
Glen McKinnon
Harold Culbert
Jerry Pickard
Wayne Easter
Rose-Marie Ur--(8)

The question being put on the amendment, it was agreed to on the following division:

YEAS


Murray Calder
Glen McKinnon
Bernie Collins
Jerry Pickard
Harold Culbert
Rose-Marie Ur--(7)
Wayne Easter

NAYS


Elwin Hermanson--(1)

Bernie Collins moved--That Bill C-72, in Clause 3, be amended by replacing lines 28 to 30 on page 5 with the following:

``3.91 (1) The president shall be paid such remuneration as is fixed by resolution of the board.''

After debate, the questing being put on the amendment, it was agreed to

Clause 3 was allowed to stand.

On Clause 4

Rose-Marie Ur moved--That Bill C-72, in Clause 4, be amended by replacing line 18 on page 7 with the following:

``Majesty and is not a Crown corporation within the meaning of the Financial Administration Act.''

It was agreed--That the amendment and clause 4 be allowed to stand.

At 1:30 o'clock p.m., the Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.


TUESDAY, APRIL 15, 1997
(Meeting No. 82)

The Standing Committee on Agriculture and Agri-Food met at 9:15 o'clock a.m. this day, in Room 253-D, Centre Block, the Chairman, Lyle Vanclief, presiding.

Members of the Committee present: Murray Calder, Jean-Guy Chrétien, Bernie Collins, Wayne Easter, Elwin Hermanson, Jake Hoeppner, Glen McKinnon, Jerry Pickard, Julian Reed, Rose-Marie Ur and Lyle Vanclief.

Acting Member present: Leon Benoit for Elwin Hermanson.

In attendance: From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: Sonya Dakers, Research Coordinator and Jean-Denis Fréchette, Research Officer. From the Committees and Parliamentary Associations Branch: Robert Normand, Procedural Clerk.

Witnesses: From Agriculture and Agri-Food: Jerry Pickard, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Agriculture and Agri-Food; Howard Migie, Director General, Adaptation and Grain Policy Directorate, Policy Branch; Victor Jarjour, Director, Grains and Oilseeds Division, International Markets Bureau, Market and Industry Services Branch. From the Department of Justice: David Byer, Legal Counsel.

In accordance with its Order of reference of February 19, 1997, consideration of Bill C-72, An Act to amend the Canadian Wheat Board Act.

On Clause 4

The Committee resumed consideration of the amendment proposed by Rose-Marie Ur.

Rose-Marie Ur moved--That Bill C-72, in Clause 4, be amended by replacing line 18 on page 7 with the following:

"Majesty and is not a Crown corporation within the meaning of the Financial Administration Act."

After debate, the question being put on the amendment, it was agreed to.

The question being put on Clause 4, it was agreed to, as amended, on the following division:

YEAS


Murray Calder
Jerry Pickard
Wayne Easter
Julian Reed
Glen McKinnon
Rose-Marie Ur--(6)

NAYS


Leon Benoit
Jake Hoeppner--(3)
Jean-Guy Chrétien

By unanimous consent, the Committee reverted to the consideration of Clause 3.

On Clause 3

By unanimous consent, Wayne Easter moved--``Notwithstanding the amendment approved by the Committee on April 10, 1997, that Bill C-72, in Clause 3, be amended by replacing lines 28 to 31 on page 4 with the following:

"3.6 (1) Ten directors shall be elected by produc-".

And debate arising thereon;

Jean-Guy Chrétien moved,--That the amendment be amended by replacing the word ``Ten'' with the word ``Eleven''.

The question being put on the sub-amendment, it was negatived on the following division:

YEAS


Leon Benoit
Jake Hoeppner--(3)
Jean-Guy Chrétien

NAYS


Murray Calder
Jerry Pickard
Bernie Collins
Julian Reed
Wayne Easter
Rose-Marie Ur--(7)
Glen McKinnon

The question being put on the amendment, it was agreed to.

It was agreed--That Clause 3 be allowed to stand.

Clause 5 carried.

By unanimous consent, it was agreed to consider new Clause 18.1.

On new Clause 18.1

Wayne Easter moved--That Bill C-72 be amended by adding after line 5 on page 15 the following:

"18.1 The Act is amended by adding the following after section 33:

33.01 (1) The Corporation may, in accordance with this section, pay to holders of certificates issued by the Corporation pursuant to this Part, an amount instead of the amount that would be distributed under paragraph 32(1)(c) or section 33.

(2) Any gains of the Corporation that may result from the operation of this section may be credited to the contingency fund.

(3) Any losses of the Corporation that result from making payments under subsection (1) are paid out to the contingency fund established under paragraph 6(1)(c.3)."

After debate the question being put on new Clause 18.1, it was agreed to.

On Clause 6

On motion of Wayne Easter, it was agreed--That Bill C-72, in Clause 6, be amended by replacing line 22 on page 8 with the following:

"operations under section 33.01 or 39.1"

On motion of Jerry Pickard, it was agreed--That Bill C-72, in Clause 6, be amended by adding after line 40 on page 8 the following:

"(4) For greater certainty, the balance at any particular time of the contingency fund established under paragraph (1)(c.3) need not be positive."

Clause 6, as amended, carried.

On Clause 7

Jerry Pickard moved--That Bill C-72, in Clause 7, be amended by replacing lines 41 to 46 on page 8 and lines 1 and 2 on page 9 with the following:

"7. Subsections 7(2) and (3) of the Act are replaced by the following:

(2) Profits realized by the Corporation from its operations in wheat under this Act during any crop year, other than profits from its operations under Part III and profits that are credited to the contingency fund, with respect to the disposition of which no provision is made elsewhere in this Act, shall be paid to the Receiver General for the Consolidated Revenue Fund.

(3) Losses sustained by the Corporation, other than losses that are charged to the contingency fund,

(a) as a result of the payment of the sum certain per tonne fixed under subparagraph 32(1)(b)(i) at the beginning of any pool period fixed under Part III, or

(b) from its operations under Parts I, II, IV and VI of this Act during any crop year,

for which no provision is made in any other Part, shall be paid out of moneys provided by Parliament."

After debate, the question being put on the amendment, it was agreed to.

Clause 7, as amended, carried.

Clauses 8 and 9 carried severally.

Clause 10 carried on the following division:

YEAS


Murray Calder
Jerry Pickard
Bernie Collins
Julian Reed
Wayne Easter
Rose-Marie Ur--(7)
Glen McKinnon

NAYS


Leon Benoit
Jake Hoeppner--(2)

After debate, Clause 11 carried.

On Clause 12

Wayne Easter moved--That Bill C-72, in Clause 12, be amended by replacing lines 26 and 27 on page 10 with the following:

"permission of the Corporation, no person shall"

After debate, the question being put on the amendment, it was agreed to.

Wayne Easter moved--That Bill C-72, in Clause 12, be amended by replacing lines 6 to 8 on page 11 with the following:

"the Corporation, to"

After debate, the question being put on the amendment, it was agreed to.

Clause 12, as amended, carried.

On Clause 13

Wayne Easter moved--That Bill C-72, in Clause 13, be amended by replacing lines 16 and 17 on page 11 with the following:

"permission of the Corporation, no person shall"

After debate, the question being put on the amendment, it was agreed to.

By unanimous consent, Wayne Easter moved--That Bill C-72 be amended by adding after line 21 on page 11 the following:

"13.1 The Act is amended by adding the following after section 25:

25.1 Paragraphs 24(1)(c), (d) and (e) and 25(1)(c), (d) and (e) do not apply to deliveries made pursuant to a contract under section 39.1."

After debate, the question being put on new Clause 13.1, was agreed to.

Clause 13, as amended, carried.

By unanimous consent, Murray Calder moved--That Bill C-72 be amended by adding after line 27 on page 11 the following:

"14.1 Section 28 of the Act is amended by adding the following after paragraph (h):

"(h.1) exempt any elevator from the provisions of this Part, in whole or in part, either generally or for any specified period or otherwise;"

After debate, the question being put on new Clause 14.1, it was agreed to.

Clause 14 carried.

Clause 15 carried.

Clause 16 carried.

On Clause 17

Murray Calder moved--That Bill C-72, in Clause 17, be amended by replacing lines 31 and 32 on page 12 with the following:

"(2) Paragraphs 32(1)(c) and (d) of the Act are replaced by the following:

(c) where, pursuant to paragraph (b), the sum certain payable to producers in respect of wheat of any grade is increased during a pool period, pay to the holder of a certificate that in referred to in paragraph (d) the amount of the increase in respect of each tonne of wheat of that grade produced in the designated area and sold and delivered to the Corporation during the pool period prior to the day on which the increase becomes effective, and"

Leon Benoit moved--``That this clause-by-clause hearing be suspended until further clarification on this clause be obtained."

The question being put on the motion, it was negatived.

After debate, the question being put on the amendment, it was agreed to.

Clause 17, as amended, carried.

Clause 18 carried.

Clause 19 carried.

After debate, Clause 20 carried.

Clause 21 carried.

Clause 22 carried.

On Clause 23

Jerry Pickard moved--That Bill C-72, in Clause 23, be amended by replacing lines 17 and 18 on page 17 with the following:

"23. (1) Paragraph 46(b) of the Act is repealed.

(2) Section 46 of the Act is amended by adding the following after paragraph (c):

(c.1) granting permission to transport wheat or barley that is not described by a grade name or by reference to a sample taken pursuant to the Canada Grain Act, or any wheat products or barley products, under any circumstances or conditions that may be prescribed by regulation;

(c.2) granting permission to transport, sell or buy, in Canada, feed grain, as that term is defined in the regulations, or wheat products or barley products for consumption by livestock or poultry, under any circumstances or conditions that may be prescribed by regulation;"

After debate, the question being put on the amendment, it was agreed to.

Clause 23, as amended, carried.

Clauses 24 to 30 inclusive carried severally.

After debate, Clause 31 carried.

On Clause 32

Bernie Collins moved--That Bill C-72, in Clause 32, be amended by adding after line 42 on page 19 the following:

"(1.1) Subsection 3.6(1) of the Canadian Wheat Board Act, as enacted by section 3 of this Act, comes into force on the earlier of December 31, 1998 and the day fixed by order of the Governor in Council."

After debate, the question being put on the amendment, it was agreed to.

Bernie Collins moved--That Bill C-72, in Clause 32, be amended by replacing line 1 on page 20 with the following:

"(2) Sections 4, 11, 24 and 28 of this Act, subsections 3.3(1) and 3.91(1) of the Canadian Wheat Board Act, as enacted by section 3 of this Act, and"

After debate, the question being put on the amendment, it was agreed to.

Bernie Collins moved--That Bill C-72, in Clause 32, be amended after line 7 on page 20 with the following:

"(2.1) On the date referred to in section 3.8 of the Canadian Wheat Board Act, as enacted by section 3 of this Act, section 3.4 of the Canadian Wheat Board Act, as enacted by section 3 of this Act, is replaced by the following:

3.4(1) The board shall designate one director to be the chairperson and may fix the remuneration of the chairperson.

(2) The chairperson shall perform the duties conferred on the chairperson by the by-laws, shall call and preside at meetings of the board and shall determine the agenda at those meetings.

(3) If the chairperson is absent or unable to act, the board may designate one of the directors to act as chairperson."

After debate, the question being put on the amendment, it was agreed to.

Jerry Pickard moved--That Bill C-72, in Clause 32, be amended by replacing line 18 on page 20 with the following:

"(c) subsections 33(1.1), (3), (4) and (5) of the Canadian Wheat Board Act, as enacted by subsection 18(4) of this Act; and"

After debate, the question being put on the amendment, it was agreed to.

Clause 32, as amended, carried.

At 12:34 o'clock p.m., the Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.


TUESDAY, APRIL 15, 1997
(Meeting No. 83)

The Standing Committee on Agriculture and Agri-Food met at 3:35 o'clock p.m. this day, in Room 253-D, Centre Block, the Chairman, Lyle Vanclief, presiding.

Members of the Committee present: Murray Calder, Jean-Guy Chrétien, Bernie Collins, Harold Culbert, Wayne Easter, Jake Hoeppner, Glen McKinnon, Jerry Pickard, Julian Reed, Rose-Marie Ur and Lyle Vanclief.

Acting Member present: Leon Benoit for Elwin Hermanson.

In attendance: From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: Sonya Dakers, Research Coordinator and Jean-Denis Fréchette, Research Officer. From the Committees and Parliamentary Associations Branch: Robert Normand, Procedural Clerk.

Witnesses: From Agriculture and Agri-Food: Jerry Pickard, Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Agriculture and Agri-Food; Howard Migie, Director General, Adaptation and Grain Policy Directorate, Policy Branch; Victor Jarjour, Director, Grains and Oilseeds Division, International Markets Bureau, Market and Industry Services Branch. From the Department of Justice: David Byer, Legal Counsel.

In accordance with its Order of reference of February 19, 1997, consideration of Bill C-72, An Act to amend the Canadian Wheat Board Act.

On Clause 3

The Committee resumed consideration of the bill on Clause 3.

And debate arising thereon;

At 4:10 o'clock p.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 4:35 o'clock p.m., the sitting resumed.

The question being put on Clause 3, as amended, it was agreed to on the following division:

YEAS


Murray Calder
Glen McKinnon
Bernie Collins
Jerry Pickard
Harold Culbert
Julian Reed
Wayne Easter
Rose-Marie Ur--(8)

NAYS


Leon Benoit
Jake Hoeppner--(3)
Jean-Guy Chrétien

The title carried.

The Bill, as amended, carried on the following division:

YEAS


Murray Calder
Glen McKinnon
Bernie Collins
Jerry Pickard
Harold Culbert
Julian Reed
Wayne Easter
Rose-Marie Ur--(8)

NAYS


Leon Benoit
Jake Hoeppner--(3)
Jean-Guy Chrétien

It was agreed--That the Bill, as amended, be reprinted as a working copy for the use of the House of Commons at Report Stage.

Ordered--That the Chairman report Bill C-72, with amendments, to the House.

At 5:05 o'clock p.m., the Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.


WEDNESDAY, APRIL 16, 1997
(Meeting No. 84)

The Standing Committee on Agriculture and Agri-Food met at 3:20 o'clock p.m. this day, in Room 371, West Block, the Chairman, Lyle Vanclief, presiding.

Members of the Committee present: Murray Calder, Jean-Guy Chrétien, Bernie Collins, Wayne Easter, Jake Hoeppner, Jerry Pickard, Rose-Marie Ur and Lyle Vanclief.

Acting Member present: Ovid Jackson for Glen McKinnon.

In attendance: From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: Sonya Dakers, Research Coordinator and Jean-Denis Fréchette, Research Officer.

Appearing: The Honourable Marcel Massé, President of the Treasury Board and Minister responsible for Infrastructure.

Witness: From the Treasury Board: David Miller, Assistant Secretary, Expenditure Management Sector.

In accordance with its mandate under Standing Order 108(2), consideration of the Government's policy on cost recovery.

The Minister made a statement and, with the other witness, answered questions.

At 4:25 o'clock p.m., the Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

Marc Toupin

Clerk of the Committee


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