PACP Committee Meeting
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Minutes of Proceedings
Stephen Kukucha and Guy Ouimet made statements and answered questions.
At 12:31 p.m., the meeting was suspended.
At 12:44 p.m., the meeting resumed.
Questioning of the witnesses resumed.
Rick Perkins moved, — That, with regard the committees ongoing study SDTC, and given that:
i) the Deputy Secretary to the Cabinet of Privy Council Donnalyn McClymont state that “The selection processes are application-based. Positions are advertised through notices of opportunity on the Privy Council website.” and “As I have said from the outset, we would post a notice of opportunity on our website. We would invite people to apply. We would assess those applications.”; and given;
ii) former Minister Navdeep Bains, said that “The process […] is an open, fair and transparent process that's publicly available to all individuals. Anyone who wants to apply can do so. […] It's open to everyone.”, and given;
iii) Annette Verschuren, former Chair of SDTC stated that “I never applied for the position of the Chair of SDTC.” and that “there were indications that I was requested”;
the committee therefore express its deep concern with the contradictions between Ms. Verschuren testimony and that of former Minister Navdeep Bains and PCO appointments, and therefore agree to :
- order the production of PCOs letter of advice to Minister Bains for the Governor in Council appointment of Annette Verschuren, Guy Ouimet, and Steven Kakucha, in both official languages, without redactions, within 14 days following the adoption of this motion;
- order the production of a copy of Annette Verschuren, Guy Ouimet, and Steven Kakucha, application to Privy Council to serve on the board of SDTC, if it exists, in both official languages, without redactions, within 14 days following the adoption of this motion;
- order the production of any briefings notes, letters, or memorandums, provided to Minister Bains, former Deputy Minister John Knubley, or Hilary Leftick, from PCO, that were prepared as part of Ms. Verschuren’s candidacy as chair, in both official languages, without redactions, within 21 days following the adoption of this motion;
- hold two meetings on SDTC, within 14 days following the adoption of this motion, and invite former Minister Navdeep Bains, Donnalyn McClymont, and Hilary Leftick, to provide clarity on the contradictory testimony.
Debate arose thereon.
At 1:11 p.m., the meeting was suspended.
At 1:13 p.m., the meeting resumed.
After debate, the question was put.
A point of order was raised as to the procedural acceptability of putting the question when a member wished to speak to the motion.
RULING BY THE CHAIR
The Chair ruled that the debate had ended, as there was no further members who wished to speak; and that as the question had been put, no further debate could occur.Whereupon, Iqra Khalid appealed the decision of the Chair.
The question: “Shall the decision of the Chair be sustained?” was put and the decision was sustained o the following recorded division:YEAS: Blake Desjarlais, John Nater, Rick Perkins, Nathalie Sinclair-Desgagné, Jake Stewart – 5;
NAYS: Valerie Bradford, Francis Drouin, Nathaniel Erskine-Smith, Iqra Khalid, Jean Yip – 5.
Accordingly, the Chair’s decision was sustained.
The question was put on the motion and the result of the vote was announced:YEAS: Blake Desjarlais, John Nater, Rick Perkins, Nathalie Sinclair-Desgagné, Jake Stewart – 5;
NAYS: Valerie Bradford, Francis Drouin, Nathaniel Erskine-Smith, Iqra Khalid, Jean Yip – 5.
Whereupon, the Chair voted in the affirmative.
Accordingly, the motion was agreed to.
Questioning of the witnesses resumed.
At 2:06 p.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.