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MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS

THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 7, 1996
(Meeting No. 35)

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The Standing Committee on Transport met at 8:50 o'clock a.m. this day, in Room 536, Wellington Building, the Chairman, Reg Alcock, presiding.

Members of the Committee present: Gerry Byrne, André Caron, Joe Comuzzi, Roy Cullen, Jim Gouk, Jim Jordan and Stan Keyes.

Acting Member present: Leon Benoit for Dick Harris.

In attendance: From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: John Christopher and David Cuthbertson, Research Officers.

Witnesses: From the Government of Alberta: Hon. Robert (Butch) Fischer, Minister of Transportation and Utilities; Tom Brown, Executive Director, Policy and Coordination; Jordan Cleland, Executive Assistant to the Minister. From Better Road Coalition: Harold Gilbert, Chairman; Nick Ferris, Vice-Chairman. From Ontario Trucking Association: David Bradley, President. From Via Rail: Terry Ivany, President; Christina Keon-Sirsly, Vice-President, Marketing and Information Services; Roger Paquette, Vice-President, Planning, Finance and Treasurer. From Brotherhood of Maintenance of Way Employees: G.D. Housch, Vice-President. From Ontario Motor Coach Association: Brian Crow, President. From Canadian Wheat Board: Gordon P. Machej, Commissioner; Tamy Reynolds, Advisor, Corporate Policy.

In accordance with its mandate under Standing Order 108(2), the Committee resumed consideration of its study on Transportation, Trade and Tourism (See Minutes of Proceedings and Evidence dated June 11, 1996, Meeting No. 13).

Robert Fischer made a presentation and answered questions.

Harold Gilbert made a presentation and answered questions.

Terry Ivany made a presentation and answered questions.

At 10:36 o'clock a.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 10:40 o'clock a.m., the sitting resumed.

G.D. Housch made a presentation and answered questions.

Brian Crow made a presentation and answered questions.

Gordon Machej made a presentation and, with the other witness, answered questions.

At 11:53 o'clock a.m., the Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

Luc Fortin

Committee Clerk

TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 19, 1996
(Meeting No. 36)

The Standing Committee on Transport met at 9:06 o'clock a.m. this day, in Room 536, Wellington Bldg., the Chairman, Reg Alcock, presiding.

Members of the Committee present: Roy Cullen, Jim Gouk, Jim Jordan, and Stan Keyes.

Acting Member present: Paul Crête for André Caron.

Other Member present: Philippe Paré.

In attendance: From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: John Christopher and David Cuthbertson, Research Officers.

Witnesses: From Active Living - Go for Green: Stephen Grundy, National Facilitator; Nathalie Racine, Project Manager; Ann Robinson, Executive Director for Rail to Greenways Network. From the Railway Association of Canada: Robert Ballantyne, President; Roger Cameron, General Manager, Public Affairs. From the Ontario Road Builders Association: Robert Bradford, Executive Director. From the Canadian Council for Public/Private Partnership: Terry L. Stephen, President. From the Government of Nova Scotia: The Honourable Don R. Downe, Minister of Transportation and Public Works. From the Canadian Automobile Association: Brian Hunt, President; Richard Godding, Vice-President of Corporate and Public Affairs; David Leonhardt, Manager, Public and Government Relations.

Stephen Grundy and Nathalie Racine made opening statements and, with the other witness, answered questions.

Robert Ballantyne and Roger Cameron made opening statements and answered questions.

Robert Bradford made an opening statement and answered questions.

Terry L. Stephen made an opening statement and answered questions.

Honourable Don R. Downe made an opening statement and answered questions.

Brian Hunt made an opening statement and, with the other witnesses, answered questions.

At 12:05 o'clock p.m., the Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 19, 1996
(Meeting No. 37)

The Standing Committee on Transport met at 4:03 o'clock p.m. this day, in Room 536, Wellington Bldg., the Chairman, Reg Alcock, presiding.

Members of the Committee present: Roy Cullen, Joe Fontana, Jim Gouk, Jim Jordan, Stan Keyes and Paul Mercier.

In attendance: From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: John Christopher and David Cuthbertson, Research Officers.

Witnesses: From the Canadian Association for Health, Physical Education, Recreation and Dance: Suzanne Cousineau, Executive Director. From Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency: Peter Estey, Vice-President, Regional Programming and Development. From Transportation Association of Canada: Louise Pelletier, Executive Director; John Pearson, Consultant.

Suzanne Cousineau made an opening statement and answered questions.

Peter Estey made an opening statement and answered questions.

Louise Pelletier made an opening statement and, with the other witness, answered questions.

At 5:25 o'clock p.m., the Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 20, 1996
(Meeting No. 38)

The Standing Committee on Transport met at 3:40 o'clock p.m. this day, in Room 536, Wellington Bldg., the Chairman, Reg Alcock, presiding.

Members of the Committee present: Joe Fontana, Jim Gouk, Jim Jordan, and Stan Keyes.

Other Member present: Charles Hubbard.

In attendance: From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: John Christopher and David Cuthbertson, Research Officers.

Witnesses: From the Railway Issues Task Force: Iain Sanderson, Chair, Health and Safety Committee; John Adams, Councillor, City of Toronto.

The Committee resumed consideration of its Order of Reference dated June 18, 1996 relating to Bill C-43, An Act to amend the Railway Safety Act and to make a consequential amendment to another Act (See Minutes of Proceedings dated September 24, 1996, Meeting No. 15).

Iain Sanderson made an opening statement and, with John Adams, answered questions.

At 4:15 o'clock p.m., the Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 21, 1996
(Meeting No. 39)

The Standing Committee on Transport met at 9:30 o'clock a.m. this day, in Room 536, Wellington Bldg., the Chairman, Reg Alcock, presiding.

Members of the Committee present: Gerry Byrne, Roy Cullen, Stan Keyes and Paul Mercier.

Acting Member present: Paul Crête for André Caron.

In attendance: From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: John Christopher and David Cuthbertson, Research Officers.

Witnesses: From the Canadians for Responsible and Safe Highways: Bob Evans, Executive Director. As Individual: Benoît Sauvageau, M.P. From Canadian Highways International Corporation: John M. Beck, President. From Northerners Inc.: Judy Skidmore, President; Julie Ingo, Planner. From Air Transport Association of Canada: John W. Crichton, President and Chief Executive Officer; Howard P. Goldberg, Vice-President and Secretary.

Bob Evans made an opening statement and answered questions.

Benoît Sauvageau made an opening statement and answered questions.

John M. Beck made an opening statement and answered questions.

Judy Skidmore made an opening statement and, with the other witness, answered questions.

John W. Crichton made an opening statement and, with the other witness, answered questions.

At 12:02 o'clock p.m., the Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 26, 1996
(Meeting No. 40)

The Standing Committee on Transport met at 9:14 o'clock a.m. this day, in Room 536, Wellington Bldg., the Chairman, Reg Alcock, presiding.

Members of the Committee present: Gerry Byrne, Jim Gouk, Jim Jordan, Stan Keyes and Paul Mercier.

Acting Member present: Paul Crête for André Caron.

In attendance: From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: John Christopher and David Cuthbertson, Research Officers.

Witnesses: From Newcourt Credit Group: Warren A. Thomson, Vice-President and Director, Newcourt Capital Inc.; Gordon M. Thompson, Vice-President and Director, Newcourt Capital Inc. From the Canadian Trucking Association: Laura Kilgour, Director, Member Services. From ``Vélo Québec'': Michel Labrecque, Executive President. From the Canadian Construction Association: Leo McArthur, Member of the Board of Directors and Chairman of Roadbuilders and Heavy Construction Council; Jim Facette, Staff Officer. From Hospitality Newfoundland and Labrador: Cathy Duke, Executive Director.

Warren A. Thomson and Gordon M. Thompson made opening statements and answered questions.

Laura Kilgour made an opening statement and answered questions.

Michel Labrecque made an opening statement and answered questions.

Leo McArthur made an opening statement and, with Jim Facette, answered questions.

Cathy Duke made an opening statement and answered questions.

At 12:02 o'clock p.m., the Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 26, 1996
(Meeting No. 41)

The Standing Committee on Transport met at 3:47 o'clock p.m. this day, in Room 536, Wellington Bldg., the Chairman, Reg Alcock, presiding.

Members of the Committee present: Gerry Byrne, Jim Jordan, Stan Keyes and Paul Mercier.

Acting Member present: Paul Crête for André Caron.

In attendance: From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: John Christopher and David Cuthbertson, Research Officers.

Witnesses: From Vector Construction Ltd.: David Whitmore, Vice-President/National Sales Manager. From ISIS Canada (The Canadian Network of Centres of Excellence on Intelligent Sensing for Innovative Structures): Dr. Sami H. Rizkalla, President. From Hambros Canada Inc.: Liam Rafferty, Assistant Director and Head, Project Finance Unit.

David Whitmore made an opening statement and answered questions.

Dr. Sami H. Rizkalla made an opening statement and anwered questions.

Liam Rafferty made an opening statement and answered questions.

At 5:17 o'clock p.m., the Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 27, 1996
(Meeting No. 42)

The Standing Committee on Transport met at 3:35 o'clock p.m. this day, in Room 208, West Block, the Chairman, Reg Alcock, presiding.

Members of the Committee present: Gerry Byrne, Roy Cullen, Joe Fontana, Jim Gouk, Stan Keyes and Paul Mercier.

Acting Member present: Paul Crête for André Caron.

In attendance: From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: John Christopher and David Cuthbertson, Research Officers.

Witnesses: From the Department of Transport: Colin Churcher, Director General, Railway Legislation; Ron Jackson, Assistant Deputy Minister, Safety and Security Group; Terry Burtch, Director General, Railway Safety; Hal Whiteman, Director General, Security; Don Murphy, Department of Justice.

The Committe resumed consideration of its Order of Reference of June 18, 1996 relating to Bill C-43, An Act to amend the Railway Safety Act and to make a consequential amendment to another Act (See Minutes of Proceedings dated September 25, 1996, Meeting No. 15).

The Chair called for Clause by Clause consideration of the Bill.

Clause 1 was allowed to stand.

Clause 2 carried.

Clause 3 carried.

On Clause 4

Jim Gouk moved,--That Clause 4 be amended by replacing line 17 on page 3 with the following:

``7.1 The Governor in Council, after consultation with the affected municipal and regional governments that would be affected by the construction of road crossings, may make''

After debate, the question being put on the amendment, it was negatived.

Clause 4 carried.

Clauses 5 to 12 inclusive carried.

On Clause 13

Stan Keyes moved,--That Clause 13 be amended by replacing, in the English version, line 40 on page 5 with the following:

``their implementation an opportunity to''

After debate, the question being put on the amendment, it was agreed to.

Clause 13, as amended, carried.

Clauses 14 and 15 carried.

On Clause 16

Gerry Byrne moved,--That Clause 16 be amended by

(a) replacing line 36 on page 7 with the following:

``to conduct testing or requires an immediate exemption of short duration is exempt from the applica-''

(b) replacing lines 40 and 41 on page 7 with the following:

``19 or 20 during a period that the company''

``a notice of the exemption with the Minister and''

(d) replacing line 12 on page 8 with the following:

``organizations may object to the exemption on the''

(e) replacing line 15 on page 8 with the following:

``within four days after the notice of exemption is''

(f) replacing line 18 on page 8 with the following:

``exemption is filed, the Minister may''

(g) replacing lines 21 to 23 on page 8 with the following:

``exemption poses a threat to safety, or

(h) object to the exemption, if the Minister is of the opinion that the exemption is not in the''

After debate, the question being put on the amendment, it was agreed to.

Clause 16, as amended, carried.

On Clause 17

Stan Keyes moved,--That Clause 17 be amended

(a) by replacing lines 36 to 40 on page 8 with the following:

``has, before passing the resolution,

(i) consulted the railway company that operates the relevant line of railway,

(ii) notified each relevant association or organization that is likely to be affected by the resolution, and

(iii) has given public notice of its intention to pass the resolution.''

(b) by replacing line 9 on page 9 with the following:

``(c) a railway safety inspector orders its use''

After debate, the question being put on the amendment, it was agreed to.

Clause 17, as amended, carried.

Clause 18 carried.

On Clause 19

Jim Gouk moved,--That Clause 19 be amended by adding after line 20 on page 10 the following:

``(1.2) The legal responsibility for the removal of anything that might, by obscuring clear vision of either of a road or of a line of railway, constitute a threat to safe railway operations will continue to rest with railway companies, although such maintenance may be carried out by municipal road authorities when deemed appropriate by the authorities.''

After debate, the question being put on the amendment, it was negatived.

Jim Gouk moved,--That Clause 19 be amended by adding after line 20 on page 10 the following:

``(1.2) Should the removal of anything that might, by obscuring clear vision of either of a road or of a line of railway, constitute a threat to safe railway operations not be undertaken by a railway company within a set period of time, a municipal road authority may carry out this work on behalf of the railway company. In such a case, the road authority must first, before proceeding, notify the railway company that it intends to undertake this work on behalf of the railway company.''

After debate, the question being put on the amendment, it was negatived.

Clause 19 carried.

On New Clause 19.1

Gerry Byrne moved,--That Bill C-43 be amended by adding after line 33 on page 10 the following:

``19.1 The Act is amended by adding the following after section 26.1:

26.2 The users of a road shall give way to railway equipment at a road crossing when warning of its approach is given.''

The question being put on the amendment, it was agreed to.

New Clause 19.1 carried.

Clause 20 carried.

On Clause 21

Stan Keyes moved,--That Clause 21 be amended by replacing lines 41 to 44 on page 10 and lines 1 and 2 on page 11 with the following:

``as a railway safety inspector or a screening officer for the purposes of this Act and, in the case of a railway safety inspector, the Minister shall designate the matters in respect of which the person may exercise the powers of a railway safety inspector.''

The question being put on the amendment, it was agreed to.

Clause 21, as amended, carried.

On Clause 22

Stan Keyes moved,--That Clause 22 be amended by

(a) replacing line 5 on page 11 with the following:

Inspector may forbid or restrict use of unsafe crossing work

``(2) Where a railway safety inspector is of the''

(b) replacing line 8 on page 11 with the following:

``to safe railway operations, the inspector, by''

``(b) may, if the inspector is satisfied that the''

(d) replacing lines 19 and 20 on page 11 with the following:

``is removed to the inspector's satisfaction.

(2.1) Where a railway safety inspector is of the''

(e) replacing line 23 on page 11 with the following:

``railway operations, the inspector, by notice sent''

(f) replacing line 27 on page 11 with the following:

``(b) may, if the inspector is satisfied that the''

(g) replacing lines 32 and 33 on page 11 with the following:

``inspector's satisfaction.

Inspector may forbid operation of certain works or equipment

(3) where a railway safety inspector is of the''

(h) replacing line 37 on page 11 with the following:

``operations, the inspector''

(i) replacing line 43 on page 11 with the following:

``(b) may, in that notice, if the inspector is''

(j) replacing line 4 on page 12 with the following:

``inspector's satisfaction.''

(k) replacing line 8 on page 12 with the following:

``contains an order, the railway safety inspector''

(l) replacing line 13 on page 12 with the following:

``railway safety inspector shall send a copy of the''

(m) replacing lines 32 to 34 on page 12 with the following:

``inspector under this section may be altered or revoked by another railway safety inspector only if the inspector who made the order is unable to act. The reasons for the inspector's inability to''

The question being put on the amendment, it was agreed to.

Clause 22, as amended, carried.

Clause 23 carried.

On Clause 24

Gerry Byrne moved,--That Clause 24 be amended by replacing, in the English version, lines 37 and 38 on page 13 with the following:

````position'', shall undergo a company-organized medical examination, including audio-''

The question being put on the amendment, it was agreed to.

Clause 24, as amended, carried.

Clauses 25 and 26 carried.

On Clause 27

Stan Keyes moved,--That Clause 27 be amended by replacing line 36 on page 16 with the following:

``railway safety inspector under subsection 7(2)''

The question being put on the amendment, it was agreed to.

Clause 27, as amended, carried.

Clauses 28 to 31 inclusive carried.

Clause 32 negatived.

Clauses 33 to 37 inclusive carried.

Clause 1 carried.

The Title carried.

The Bill, as amended, carried.

ORDERED,--That the Bill, as amended, be reprinted as a working copy, for the use of the House of Commons at the report stage.

ORDERED,--That the Chairman report Bill C-43 with amendments to the House.

At 4:25 o'clock p.m., the Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 28, 1996
(Meeting No. 43)

The Standing Committee on Transport met at 10:03 o'clock a.m. this day, in Room 536, Wellington Bldg., the Chairman, Reg Alcock, presiding.

Member of the Committee present: Gerry Byrne, Jim Gouk, Stan Keyes and Paul Mercier.

Acting Member present: Antoine Dubé for André Caron.

In attendance: From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: John Christopher and David Cuthbertson, Research Officers.

Witnesses: From the Canadian Board of Marine Underwriters: Maurice S.L. Jacques, Past President; N. Douglas McRae, Chairman, Legislative Committee.

The Order of Reference dated Tuesday, October 8, 1996 being read as follows:

ORDERED: That Bill C-58, An Act to amend the Canada Shipping Act (maritime liability), be referred forthwith to the Standing Committee on Transport.

Maurice S.L. Jacques and N. Douglas McRae made opening statements and answered questions.

At 10:22 o'clock a.m., the Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

MONDAY, DECEMBER 2, 1996
(Meeting No. 44)

The Standing Committee on Transport met at 4:00 o'clock p.m. this day, in Room 536, Wellington Bldg., the Chairman, Reg Alcock, presiding.

Members of the Committee present: Gerry Byrne, Jim Gouk, Jim Jordan, and Stan Keyes.

Acting Member present: Lawrence O'Brien for Joe Comuzzi.

Associate Member present: Antoine Dubé.

In attendance: From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: David Cuthbertson, Research Officer.

Witness: From the Canadian Maritime Law Association: Nigel Frawley, President.

The Committee resumed consideration of its Order of Reference dated Tuesday, October 8, 1996 relating to Bill C-58, An Act to amend the Canada Shipping Act (maritime liability) (See Minutes of Proceedings dated Thursday, November 28, 1996, Meeting No. 43).

Nigel Frawley made an opening statement and answered questions.

At 4:38 o'clock p.m., the Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

TUESDAY, DECEMBER 3, 1996
(Meeting No. 45)

The Standing Committee on Transport met at 10:02 o'clock a.m. this day, in Room 536, Wellington Bldg., the Chairman, Reg Alcock, presiding.

Members of the Committee present: Roy Cullen, Jim Gouk, Jim Jordan and Stan Keyes.

Acting Member present: Paul Crête for André Caron.

In attendance: From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: David Cuthbertson, Research Officer.

Witnesses: From the Tourism Industry Association of Canada: Debra Ward, President. From Transport 2000 Canada: David W. Glastonburry, President.

Debra Ward made an opening statement and answered questions.

David W. Glastonburry made an opening statement and answered questions.

At 11:12 o'clock a.m., the Committee proceeded to sit in camera.

At 11:18 o'clock a.m., the Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 4, 1996
(Meeting No. 46)

The Standing Committee on Transport met at 3:33 o'clock p.m. this day, in Room 705, La Promenade, the Chairman, Reg Alcock, presiding.

Members of the Committee present: Roy Cullen, Joe Fontana, Jim Gouk, Jim Jordan, Stan Keyes and Paul Mercier.

Associate Member present: Paul Crête.

In attendance: From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: David Cuthbertson, Research Officer.

Appearing: The Honourable Paul Martin, Minister of Finance.

The Minister of Finance made an opening statement and answered questions.

At 4:15 o'clock p.m., the Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

MONDAY, DECEMBER 9, 1996
(Meeting No. 47)

The Standing Committee on Transport met at 3:40 o'clock p.m. this day, in Room 536, Wellington Bldg., the Chairman, Reg Alcock, presiding.

Members of the Committee present: Roy Cullen, Joe Fontana, and Stan Keyes.

Acting Members present: Paul Crête for André Caron; Charles Hubbard for Joe Comuzzi.

In attendance: From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: John Christopher and David Cuthbertson, Research Officers.

Witnesses: From the Department of Transport: André Pageot, Director General, Marine Policy and Programs; Jerry Rysanek, Chief, Marine Insurance and Liability Regimes; Alfred Popp, Senior General Counsel, Maritime Law Secretariat, Department of Justice.

The Chair called for clause by clause consideration of the Bill.

Clause 1 carried.

On Clause 2

Stan Keyes moved,--That Clause 2 be amended by

(a) replacing line 11 on page 3 with the following:

(2) The maximum liability of a shipowner for claims arising on any distinct occasion for loss of life or personal injury to persons on a ship for which a certificate is required under Part V, where those persons are not carried under a contract of passenger carriage, is 175,000 units of account multiplied by the number of passengers the ship is authorized to carry according to the ship's certificate.

(3) Subsection (2) does not apply in respect of liability to a person who is the master of the ship, a member of the crew of the ship or any other person employed or engaged in any capacity on board the ship on the business of the ship.

(4) In subsection (1), ``passenger'' means a''

(b) replacing line 15 on page 3 with the following:

``(5) In subsections (1) and (2), ``unit of''

``(6) For the purposes of subsections (1) and (2), the''

(d) replacing line 25 on page 3 with the following:

``less than 300 tons, other than claims mentioned in section 577, is''

The question being put on the amendment, it was agreed to.

Clause 2, as amended, carried.

Clauses 3 and 4 carried.

On Clause 5

Stan Keyes moved,--That Clause 5 be amended by replacing lines 16 and 17 on page 8 with the following:

``person having for the time being, either by law or by contract, the rights of the owner of the ship with respect to the possession and use of the ship;''

The question being put on the amendment, it was agreed to.

Clause 5, as amended, carried.

Clauses 6 to 9 inclusive carried.

On Clause 10

Stan Keyes moved,--That Clause 10 be amended by replacing line 36 on page 13 with the following:

``(2) Sections 574, 575 and 577 to 582 apply for the''

The question being put on the amendment, it was agreed to.

Clause 10, as amended, carried.

Clauses 11 to 25 inclusive carried.

On New Clause 25.1

Roy Cullen moved,--That Bill C-58 be amended by adding before line 3 on page 21 the following:

``25.1 Sections 574 to 584 of the Canada Shipping Act, as they read immediately before the coming into force of section 2, apply in respect of events referred to in subsection 575(1) of that Act, as that subsection read immediately before the coming into force of that section, that occurred before the coming into force of that section.''

The question being put on the amendment, it was agreed to.

New Clause 25.1 carried.

On Clause 26

Stan Keyes moved,--That Clause 26 be amended by replacing line 8 on page 21 with the following:

``677(1) of that Act, as that subsection read immediately before the coming into force of those sections, that took place before the''

The question being put on the amendment, it was agreed to.

Clause 26, as amended, carried.

Clauses 27, 28 and 29 carried.

On Clause 30

Roy Cullen moved,--That Clause 30 be amended by replacing line 25 on page 24 with the following:

``30. (1) Sections 1 to 3 come into force ninety days after the day on which this Act is assented to.''

(2) Sections 4 to 24 come into force on a''

The question being put on the amendment, it was agreed to.

Clause 30, as amended, carried on division.

The Schedule carried.

The Title carried.

The Bill, as amended, carried on division.

Ordered,--That the Chairman report the Bill C-58 with amendments to the House.

At 4:00 o'clock p.m., the Committee proceeded to sit in camera.

It was agreed,--That the Committee retain the services of T.G.S. for the formatting, design and press relations for the release of its Discussion Paper on Transportation, Trade and Tourism and the subsequent roundtable; and, that the contractor be paid at a daily rate of $595.00 in accordance with the contracting policy of the House of Commons for an amount not to exceed $7,140.00.

At 4:25 o'clock p.m., the Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

TUESDAY, DECEMBER 10, 1996
(Meeting No. 48)

The Standing Committee on Transport met at 9:00 o'clock a.m. this day, in Room 536, Wellington Bldg., the Chairman, Reg Alcock, presiding.

Members of the Committee present: Gerry Byrne, Roy Cullen, Dick Harris and Paul Mercier.

Acting Members present: Paul Crête for André Caron; Ivan Grose for Stan Keyes.

In attendance: From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: John Christopher and David Cuthbertson, Research Officers.

In accordance with its mandate under Standing Order 108(2), the Committee resumed consideration of its study on the transportation, trade and tourism (See Minutes of Proceedings dated June 11, 1996, Meeting No. 13).

Appearing: The Honourable John Manley, Minister of Industry. The Honourable Marcel Massé, Minister Responsible for Infrastructure.

John Manley made an opening statement and answered questions.

At 9:59 o'clock a.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 10:04 o'clock a.m., the sitting resumed.

Marcel Massé made an opening statement and answered questions.

At 10:40 o'clock a.m., the sitting was suspended.

At 11:00 o'clock a.m., the sitting resumed.

By unanimous consent, the Committee proceeded to sit in camera.

At 11:30 o'clock a.m., the Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 22, 1997
(Meeting No. 49)

The Standing Committee on Transport met at 9:37 o'clock a.m. this day, in a televised session, in Room 253-D, Centre Block, the Chairman, Reg Alcock, presiding.

Members of the Committee present: Gerry Byrne, Roy Cullen, Jim Jordan, Stan Keyes and Paul Crête.

In attendance: From the Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: John Christopher and David Cuthbertson, Research Officers.

Witnesses: From the Office of the Auditor General of Canada: David Rattray, Assistant Auditor General; Hugh McRoberts, Principal, Audit Operations. From the Canadian Automobile Association: Brian A. Hunt, President. From the Canadian Bankers' Association: Moya Greene, Managing Director, Government and Infrastructure Finance Group, Toronto Dominion Bank. From the Canadian Construction Association: Michael Atkinson, President; Michelle Landreville, Director of Public Affairs. From the Canadian Highways International Corporation: John M. Beck, President; Mitch Patten. From the Canadian Trucking Association: Gilles J. Bélanger, President. From the Coalition to Renew Canada's Infrastructure: John Redfern, Chairman; Jim Facette, President. From Groupe S.M.: Gérard Laganière, Vice-President. From Hambros Canada Inc.: Harry Swain, Director; Liam Rafferty, Assistant Director. From ISIS Canada (The Canadian Network of Centres of Excellence on Intelligent Sensing for Innovative Structures): Chris Lorenc, Chief Executive Director; Sandra Martel, Development and Application Officer. From Newcourt Credit Group: Warren A. Thomson, Vice-President and Director; Gordon Thompson, Vice-President and Director. From the Tourism Industry Association of Canada: Debra Ward, President. From the Transportation Association of Canada: Louise Pelletier, Executive Director; John Pearson, Technical Advisor.

The witnesses, in a roundtable setting, made statements and answered questions.

At 1:00 o'clock p.m. to 1:30 o'clock p.m., the Canadian Network of Centres of Excellence on Intelligent Sensing for Innovative Structures (ISIS Canada) made an audio-visual presentation on ISIS Canada Technology and its Relevance to the National Highway Policy.

At 4:00 o'clock p.m., the Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

Jacques Lahaie

Clerk of the Committee